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  •  Perhaps the rate merely suggests that the (0+ / 0-)

    odds of your kid crawling under your bed and shooting himself with the gun you have cleverly concealed there (A place you've chosen because it's free, because nobody ever hides anything under a bed, and certainly nobody ever looks under one) are relatively low. So let's just keep on a-rolling those dice.

    How many kids in all the history of the US ever choked to death on small moving parts from a toy? How many should it have to, to warrant restrictions on the sale of toys with small moving parts?

    (OMG, I'm about to compare guns to cars ...)

    I mean, come on, all that fuss about the Pinto, and the entire death toll wouldn't make a respectable ... well I don't know what, since there's controversy over whether there were indeed several hundred Pinto fire deaths, or only a few dozen ... but in any case, it's clear that the average Pinto driver was pretty safety conscious with those inherently dangerous objects.

    Heck, how many people ever have a serious car accident? Do we really need to regulate the speed limit? I mean, with 200 million drivers on the road every darn day, the rate of accidents suggests that the overwhelming majority of automobile owners are pretty safety conscious with these inherently dangerous objects.

    To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

    by UntimelyRippd on Mon Apr 08, 2013 at 06:00:01 AM PDT

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    •  Poor analogy ... (0+ / 0-)

      the Pinto involved a very low-cost repair design flaw of which Ford was aware.  The company nonetheless introduced the car into the stream of commerce, placing a risk of death or injury onto unsuspecting consumers who were in the least effective position to manage a risk that a reasonable person would not expect to exist with the product. Apples and oranges, as they say.

      And regarding safe drivers ... please study the CDC data on transportation vs non-transportation deaths.  The accidental death rate between vehicles and firearms is not even close.

      But as I mentioned, a certain set here really isn't interested in data or careful analysis at all.   It reminds me exactly of climate change deniers.

      •  the epistemological flaw in comparing (0+ / 0-)

        accidents/owner rates for guns v anything at all should be obvious to anyone pretending to be thinking about these issues. no, i'm not going to explain it to you. figure it out yourself. if it takes you more than 30 or 40 seconds, consider that a warning flag.

        either way, any argument that begins with "there are lots of guns, and most of them never shoot anyone they aren't supposed to," is, simply, stupid.

        To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

        by UntimelyRippd on Mon Apr 08, 2013 at 01:55:57 PM PDT

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        •  Hah. (0+ / 0-)

          Climate change deniers are just as compelling.  Keep up the brilliant analysis and argument.

          •  Always the same response from those who are (0+ / 0-)

            too tiresome to warrant a serious dialogue.

            Why bother with composing a brilliant argument for someone who, with respect to this particular issue at any rate, is operating from their lizard brain? You wouldn't appreciate it or enjoy it -- you'd just flick it away with some inane non sequitur.

            To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

            by UntimelyRippd on Wed Apr 10, 2013 at 02:27:03 PM PDT

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