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  •  And how would you know EM IS doing all that respon (9+ / 0-)

    se stuff? Comforting words, with the implication that the rest of us should just "trust" that corp-types you note you have worked with as a consultant:

    I have worked with a number of other large corporations in the past (I'm an environmental consultant).  Certain companies, because of their size or their history or both, don't believe they really have to answer to anyone. They see themselves as in charge and somewhat untouchable.  In other words, we (EPA, the state, you, and I) don't have any real right to know or question what they do.  Oh -- they understand laws and regulations state otherwise; they just don't view them as valid, especially when they're in emergency response mode.  In other words, they view them more as niceties than requirements.
    As a former EPA enforcement attorney who got to "work with" Corp types and environmental consultants they retained, too, I might offer that your description of how those folks think and act is, shall we say, unduly gentle? Framed in consultant-speak, maybe? I know how seductive the mind set is, once you get into it and see where the money flows are going... Nothing personal on you, I have no idea of your personal bona fides.

    The institutionalized arrogance of those folks needs to be experienced. "Things," group-mind "corporate persons" like Monsanto and Dow and all the Big Oil companies act like "environmental laws and regulations" and the people who try to enforce them and the "citizens" who get to eat their externalities are just a bunch of buzzing gnats getting in the way of the Serious Business of Advancing The Corporate Interest in Making a Profit. Tony Hayward was inadvertently eloquent about the phenomenon:

    He by all accounts has his life back just fine, golf and yachting and multiple "homes" and the rest. what Exxonmobil and their consultants, environmental and PR and security, are trying to avoid, is even a scintilla of shame for being a bunch of greedy shitheads. With the greed amplified by the echo chamber they live and work in.

    "Is that all there is?" Peggy Lee.

    by jm214 on Mon Apr 08, 2013 at 09:42:07 AM PDT

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    •  Bingo. (3+ / 0-)
      (I'm an environmental consultant)
      Depending on clientlist, "(I'm an environmental consultant)" is 1 step away from admitting to being an industry shill.

      #3: ensure network neutrality; #2: ensure electoral integrity; #1: ensure ecosystemic sustainability.

      by ivote2004 on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 02:47:13 AM PDT

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      •  And that client list (0+ / 0-)

        Includes dirty industry (i.e., old traditional manufacturing), "clean" industry (light industrial/assembly, typically with modern appreciation for appropriate waste management and discharge), foundations, trusts, municipalities, water utilities, and (by repeated personal request) EPA.

        If you would take the time to read my comments in this diary, I'm simply trying to note that the assumptions that evil is afoot are not really (yet, at least) borne out by evidence, that there may be rational explanations for what we know is going on, and that activities such as pipeline operations and spill cleanup should be strictly regulated with enforcement power.

        And this gets me accused of being an industry shill....

        You people are ridiculous.  If someone doesn't mindlessly join the lynch mob they're obviously just a shill.

        Let me check the URL...No, it's not freerepublic, it's dailykos.

        Huh.  Who'da thunk?

    •  Funny stuff (0+ / 0-)

      See, to me, when I write that a company feels they aren't subject to law and regulation, that's a pretty damning accusation. I'm not sure how much worse an allegation I could make.

      But to an attorney, it's weak tea, suggests I'm "unduly gentle," and worthy of implying I'm just a lap dog.

      That's why I'm not cut out to be an attorney.

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