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    For example, one goal of meditation is to quiet the speech centers, which is hardly a goal in many approaches to prayer.

    Not all.  

    Of course, I can only speak for my own approach to prayer.

    "The fears of one class of men are not the measure of the rights of another." ~ George Bancroft (1800-1891)

    by JBL55 on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 09:21:45 AM PDT

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    •  Be still and listen. (1+ / 0-)
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      I have always looked upon stillness and openess as essential to prayer.

      If you're too busy talking to God (or whatever Spirit/essence you happen to believe in), you'll never hear anything except your own clamoring thoughts.

      _Let's dedicate ourselves to what the Greeks wrote so many years ago: to tame the savageness of man and make gentle the life of this world. Let us dedicate ourselves to that, and say a prayer for our country and for our people. Robert Kennedy_

      by bogieshadow on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 11:39:49 AM PDT

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      •  My point is that the beneficial psycho- (1+ / 0-)
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        physiological benefits of prayer may not have any necessary connection with a religious context or purpose.  When a great many people meditate and benefit from it, they're not listening for God or trying to connect with anything supernatural.   If those people show the same psychophysiological patterns as people who are praying, it would suggest that the effects have nothing to do with prayer per se.  

        "If you don't read the newspapers, you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- M. Twain

        by Oliver St John Gogarty on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 02:27:31 PM PDT

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