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  •  For goodness' sake. (1+ / 0-)
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    Atheism is not a faith. Agnosticism is not a faith. Not believing in Santa Claus is not a faith. Not believing in Zeus is not a faith.

    Lack of belief is not an act of disbelief. I am not defined by my lack of belief that there are invisible unicorns peering at me from all sides this very moment. I do not have faith that gravity is going to remain more or less constant for the near future. I simply believe it to be true until evidence leads me to believe otherwise.

    You are clearly an ex-atheist, because you were born with no conscious understanding or belief of any concept of the divine. However, if you were truly a grown man (or woman) walking around not believing in any divine being purely because you "had faith" that it did not exist, it does not surprise me in the least that you now "have faith" in the opposite direction.

    •  I respectfully disagree, (2+ / 0-)
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      Pale Jenova, oslyn7

      And please don't misconstrue my argument as saying "You have faith, deal with it."  My point is merely that making a conscious, reasoned decision implies choice.  And choice implies a belief.

      To quote here,

      belief in anything, as a code of ethics, standards of merit, etc.
      Granted, it's the fourth definition, but I use that as my guideline on defining faith for myself, personally.  I meant that in no way as an attack or invalidation of principal.  I apologize if it came across as such.

      Perhaps most importantly, my understanding of atheism has led me to have more discourse, not less, with those who profess atheism.

      "Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience every time." --Unknown

      by Subwoofer of the House on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 12:19:46 PM PDT

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    •  Depends on the kind of atheist though (0+ / 0-)

      The type who says "God? Existence? I never gave it much thought," would not constitute a faith. However, a militant atheist who spends time trying to convince believers that their God does not exist--that constitutes an affirmation of faith because I can't prove God does not exist any more than someone can prove God does exist.

      Thom Hartmann had an example. "Not collecting stamps" is clearly not a "hobby." However, if I spend every day telling everyone that I do not collect stamps, if I go to stamp shows and argue that no one should collect stamps, if I buy stamp albums and walk around showing everyone that I do not have stamps in them--I would call that a "hobby," (and perhaps a person in need of medication, lol).

      But you do have a point.

      And God said, "Let there be light"; and with a Big Bang, there was light. And God said "Ow! Ow My eyes!" and in a flash God separated light from darkness. "Whew! Now that's better. Now where was I. Oh yea . . ."

      by Pale Jenova on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 08:20:15 PM PDT

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