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  •  Yep, ok (12+ / 0-)

    No reasoning with zealots I guess.  Thanks for letting us know

    Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescindibles.

    by Mindful Nature on Mon Apr 08, 2013 at 01:22:03 PM PDT

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    •  I wish I could understand, MN (0+ / 0-)

      I'm not a zealot. I'm open, truly, to persuasion. I just don't see Obama in the way this diary characterizes him--as a belt-notcher, eager to punish, to put folks down in order to bolster himself up. To what end? Besides, his psychology, as it strikes me thus far, just doesn't come across as being nearly so shallow. I don't get the sense that, behind the scenes, he cackles with delight in evil-doing just for its own, empty sake. Do you? Do you really believe his ego thrives on doing harm? Can you help me understand how you arrived such an understanding?

      So far--whatever else Mr Obama might be--that's just not a profile that fits, for me. It's a portrait of scheming, conniving, two-faced villainy, and I don't know whence it is derived. What am I missing? Sincere question, asked in earnest.

      God bless our tinfoil hearts.

      by aitchdee on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 12:51:25 PM PDT

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      •  Well I that spirit (1+ / 0-)
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        I am not sure I'd characterize it as two faced villainy.   Instead it appears Pres Obama is motivated by a generally conventional view of the world and a profound drive to be seen as a "reasonable moderate" who reaches compromises.  These two principles lead him to propose policies that burnish his vision of this mythical moderation (which is essentially what motivates the DLC.  It's the desire to be liked of hewing to any particular principle). Thus, his attachment to the interests of regular people is tenuous and easily sacrificed to a desire to be viewed favorably by the establishment.  Is that evil?  Cynical?  Not really.  It's just that he seems more interested in process than results.  Compromise is good, and the outcome seems secondary.  

        Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescindibles.

        by Mindful Nature on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 06:11:22 PM PDT

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        As a corollary, he seems to genuinely dislike those who prioritize outcomes and principles

        Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescindibles.

        by Mindful Nature on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 06:12:17 PM PDT

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        •  You may well be right - (0+ / 0-)

          I'll need to think about it and weigh it for myself, but it sounds pretty accurate. It is an intriguing analysis and one that I cannot reject out of hand.

          Thank you *very much * for taking the time to plainly explain where the dim view of Obama (at least partially) is coming from around here and for doing so without a trace of condescension. Thanks also for trusting that my question to you wasn't a trap or some sort of cynical doublespeak.

          Cheers, MN, I shall see you around the blog!

          God bless our tinfoil hearts.

          by aitchdee on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 06:38:33 PM PDT

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