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  •  Not exactly doublespeak... (2+ / 0-)
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    smiley7, Mary Mike

    I truly understand where' you're coming from and am extremely upset with Obama's proposed budget, at least as it concerns SS and Medicare.

    However, we should keep in mind a couple of points:

    1) What are the first weapons out of TP mouths when we talk about the economy has Democrats? Greece, Spain, and Italy, all countries the EU is making adopt limits on spending.

    2) When other countries in the EU speak out about "living within means" it has an affect over here, too.

    3) One of the PRIME austerity-mongers is Angela Merkel. Germany is heading into elections soon, and in an election test, her party did poorly. France and Germany are the primary elements behind economic policy in the EU. Hollande of France is a huge supporter of growing our way out of the recession, Merkel wants cuts.

    So it's not surprising Lew would say what he did. If we can get Europe moving a more growth-oriented direction, that could have big benefits here as well.

    What separates us, divides us, and diminishes the human spirit.

    by equern on Mon Apr 08, 2013 at 02:26:04 PM PDT

    •  With respect to living within means relative to (2+ / 0-)
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      jabney, Mary Mike

      past U.S. GDP, and compared to, as an example Japan's position, we are okay and have room to spare so deficit reduction is smoke and mirrors.  And I agree  "If we can get Europe moving a more growth-oriented direction, that could have big benefits here as well."

      Which brings me back to why offer CPI in his budget?  I don't buy that this is to appease Republicans. I think it's to appease Peterson, Bowles and company.

      "Lets show the rascals what Citizens United really means."

      by smiley7 on Mon Apr 08, 2013 at 02:41:16 PM PDT

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    •  are the tea partiers so powerful that obama... (1+ / 0-)
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      smiley7

      needs cover from europe to enact a stimulus plan?  sounds unlikely.  certainly the land of "freedom fries" is not a place that tea partiers especially respect opinions from.

      obama doesn't need cover from europe.  he needs to start telling the truth.

      i'm part of the 99% - america's largest minority

      by joe shikspack on Mon Apr 08, 2013 at 04:12:30 PM PDT

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      •  Nope. Not the point. (1+ / 0-)
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        smiley7

        The point is that Obama has no one to work with on the continent except Hollande, and as you mentioned, French policy has little impact over here. However, if the GERMANS or the BRITS were to sing a song of growth, that would give him people to work with.

        Like I said above, I think Obama is lost in the clouds of his own thinking. I don't think it's a question of the "truth", I think he's telling the truth as he sees it. It just isn't a reality that the rest of us believe is real.

        What he REALLY needs are people who can show him why and how his thinking will cause more harm than good. He THINKS a "grand bargain" will allow us to move on to other things. He doesn't understand that even if he were to obtain this dream, the GOP would just devise more ways to entrap, ensnare, and confound him.

        Obama just isn't the perceptive person we've been lead to believe he is, he wants to be liked by the GOP members of congress, and that is continually his undoing.

        When he gave his SOTU address we had hope that we were seeing the "real" Obama, but we weren't. He more concerned with the concept of "dysfunction" than the harm he might cause by trying to avoid it.

        What separates us, divides us, and diminishes the human spirit.

        by equern on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 12:18:17 PM PDT

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