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  •  Agreed, they should do it off-campus if possible (11+ / 0-)

    I went to Holy Cross, and this was the policy there as well.

    However, there were priests that pointed out that the church's teachings on birth control really only apply to married couples.  If you are having sex outside of marriage, you're already in a state of sin, the use of artificial means of birth control at that point doesn't make it worse.

    So, they would actually tell us that if you're going to sin and have pre-marital sex, don't be stupid, use a condom.

    Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear. ~William E. Gladstone, 1866

    by absdoggy on Mon Apr 08, 2013 at 02:19:46 PM PDT

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    •  Do it off-campus... (0+ / 0-)

      ...because no one fucks on-campus?

      •  its 2013 (5+ / 0-)

        im pretty sure college aged kids who can afford a $180,000 undergraduate education at a fairly elite university can figure out how to get condoms for themselves if they want to go bang a girl in their dorm room without having to rely on free handouts down the hall.

        not to mention the fact that BC is in no way censuring students for using condoms, or having sex. they simply consider the distribution of condoms ON THEIR PROPERTY to be an inherent endorsement of a way of life that violates some of their absolute core values.

        •  Yes, it's 2013... (5+ / 0-)

          ...and yet we still have a ton of idiots who think preventing safe sex will somehow prevent the sex.

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            how, exactly are they preventing safe sex from happening again?

            and if they're such idiots, of course, students can always opt no to go there. it's not like universities acquire their students through the draft or something.

            you're probably seems to be with catholicism in general. feel free to be old man yelling at cloud on that issue, but that really has nothing much to do with this situation. when in rome. . .

            •  My problem... (1+ / 0-)
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     with stupid people who think if they prevent people from having safe sex that it will keep people from having any sex, and that is the reasoning behind trying to prevent people from getting condoms and knowing how to use them. These people are beyond stupid.

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                it's weird, then, that you're so angry about this since bc in no way prevents its students from purchasing, using, or possessing condoms.

                and even if they were, it would have nothing to do with preventing people from having sex. it has to do with not encouraging acts that violate fundamental doctrinal tenets of a religious institutions. sex is not against the rules on the bc campus.

                its fine, you can say it: you cant stand catholic doctrine, and it makes you angry. hell, i feel the same way. i dont agree with any of it, and i think its a bleak way to look at the world, which has little to do with whether or not a private university is entitled to enforce a code of conduct that gets at the very core of its reason for existing.

              •  Uhhh... (3+ / 0-)
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                "prevent people from getting condoms and knowing how to use them"

                Dude... as stated earlier ... it's 2013.  If we now have schools wanting to teach kindergarteners about condoms, and elementary school students how to use them, I find your statement either completely asinine or just plain moronic.

                If you find a college student who doesn't know how to use a condom and doesn't know how to procure them via their own means let me know.  You'll have discovered the "missing link" or found someone who literally has been living under a rock for the last 25 years.

                Just another example of people blowing smoke because a religious institution decided to grow a pair and actually abide by their own beliefs and rules for once.  Doesn't matter that they've allowed it in the past.  The point is they can say that it's no longer allowed from this point forward.  

                Even if their reasoning is as you state... that they are naive enough, or yes stupid enough, to think that by denying condoms to the students it's somehow going to prevent sex... it doesn't matter.  Their house, their rules.  Don't like it... move out.

                •  Yes, some of those students are condom-naive. (1+ / 0-)
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                   Many have gone to Catholic Preschool, elementary, jr. high and high schools, where sexual education is a very limited part of the curriculum.   It is highly probable that at least a quarter of the students have never seen, touched, and even been advised about the details of condom usage.  

                  •  And who took it upon themselves to teach them? (0+ / 0-)

                    These are not children....would you suggest that they have never heard of a condom too?  If they want to know about them....I am certain they can go to any library in America or Google for that matter and be educated to their heart's content.

                    What if these young adults are practicing Catholics and simply are not interested? What about their rights to go to a private Catholic college that they are paying a pretty penny to attend?

              •  It is a private catholic university. If you are (1+ / 0-)
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                unaware that handing out BC in the hallways and dorms of a private catholic university might be frowned may need to reconsider higher education in any regard.

                Any private university can make any rules they feel like making....a 12 inch book of them, if they want.  The students either obey them or get out or don't go...period.

                No one forced one single student  go there and honestly, no one is talking about the other students' rights who are probably a high percentage of catholic...who actually chose the college because they are catholic and might not want to be handed BC or it to be placed in their room because of their religious beliefs.  

                •  I would guess that (1+ / 0-)
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                  the number of students who chose BC because they are Catholic and don't want to be handed birth control or it to be placed in their room because of their religious beliefs could fit in one lecture room. Though the press dredges a couple up for each story by sending emails to the most conservative groups on the campus, I don't personally know anyone raised Catholic under 40 who holds those religious beliefs, and certainly not to that extent.

                  I was reading another forum about this recently and a bunch of BC grads from the last ten or fifteen years were saying that, if they're going to crack down on people who have sex and use condoms, they'll have about 50 people left at the school.

                  Republicans...think the American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire the Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it. Harry S. Truman

                  by fenway49 on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 05:17:33 AM PDT

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                  •  You are totally missing the point. It doesn't (1+ / 0-)
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                    if it is only one student who feels that way.  It doesn't matter if every student in that school is not even Catholic.  All that matters is that the student chose to attend a private catholic school for their education.  It means they knew the rules, or if by some small chance they didn't....they have now been told and reminded.  

                    It is private property and a private school and those are the rules there.  If they want to hand out condoms, and they want to hand them out in the dorms of their chosen school...they are more than welcome to pack their bags, take their condoms and head down the road to University of Massachusetts, which is a public school, and hand them out to their heart's content.  

                    •  YOU are missing the point (0+ / 0-)

                      I have never said the school has no technical right to its rules (although I will note this particular "rule" appears nowhere in writing and practice on the campus has long gone the other way).

                      My point is that the rule, as currently being presented, is stupid and the defenses of it are wrong. Most defenders of the BC administration have cited the propriety of a "Catholic school" promoting "Catholic values." All I have said is that these are not my values, nor are they the values of any Catholics I know under the age of 60. If BC wants to double down on this stuff, over time more and more students will in fact take their bags down the road.

                      It is amazing, however, how many people on this site buy into the "they can do whatever they want on their private property" idea to the point of suggesting that their decisions can't even be criticized as stupid.

                      Republicans...think the American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire the Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it. Harry S. Truman

                      by fenway49 on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 07:30:35 AM PDT

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                      •  It's stupid to you and it may be stupid to a lot (0+ / 0-)

                        people....but to the administrators of that private school, it's not stupid.  That is all that matters in the scope of things.  

                        You can criticize it all you want, and call it stupid and dumb but in the scope of things, they have every legal right to do it.

                        The point of this discussion is that some of the participates in it believed that the students had the legal right to do what they did.  They don't... it is not a first amendment issue, there is no illegal behavior by the school and whether or not we feel it is stupid or not, the students were in the wrong. They chose that school, so they have to live by their rules.....stupid or not.

                        •  The point of the diary (0+ / 0-)

                          is that the policy is stupid and out of touch with the real world, including the way the school's mostly Catholic student body lives. The diarist himself noted that they chose to attend that school and said nothing about lawsuits or anything.

                          A few commenters have raised First Amendment issues. I am not among them. My only points have been that this "rule" is stupid and that, from personal experience, I know these "Sean O'Malley values" are not widely shared "Catholic values" among everyday people of college age. That's why I am not equating "at variance with this just-announced rule" and "in the wrong."

                          Republicans...think the American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire the Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it. Harry S. Truman

                          by fenway49 on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 09:02:33 AM PDT

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                          •  I understand your point and so it is understood. (1+ / 0-)
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                            It is a stupid rule since it doesn't apply in today's time and age.  

                            In my view, the rule is a rule of a private university and I feel that they have every right to have that rule.  

                            Personally, I wouldn't want to go to a school that had those type of rules and hence the reason I did not attend a Catholic school.   I also think the students who chose a private Catholic school for their higher education needs, shouldn't be surprised at all that handing out BC in the halls and dorms of a private Catholic school would be the least bit acceptable.  Matter of fact, I am almost certain they knew it was unacceptable.  If by some chance they didn't know... again, they do know now.  So should it happen again, they would undoubtedly be in the wrong.

    •  My Catholic boyfriend in college (1+ / 0-)
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      must have had one of those priests.

      There's only one rule that I know of, babies -- goddammit, you've got to be kind. -- Kurt Vonnegut

      by Cali Scribe on Mon Apr 08, 2013 at 05:54:27 PM PDT

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    •  Holy Cross grad here too...n/t (0+ / 0-)

      "I'm a white male, age 18 to 49. Everyone listens to me, no matter how dumb my suggestions are." --Homer Simpson

      by dhshoops on Mon Apr 08, 2013 at 06:46:57 PM PDT

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    •  Why would that make any difference? There (0+ / 0-)

      is no reason the college can't require them to uphold Catholic values even off campus as well.

      You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

      by Throw The Bums Out on Mon Apr 08, 2013 at 08:34:02 PM PDT

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