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  •  Again....still missing the point (0+ / 0-)

    Here is the underlying point. As a democrat, I see what he is doing and a lot of us common sense folks see it. In fact an article by Tomasky in Daily Beast illustrated the point.  Read it..http://www.thedailybeast.com/...

    In order to show the COUNTRY that he is reasonable, he is willing to piss off his left to get a deal done and that the GOP teabaggers are the ones blocking anything for happening, will motivate those bitching and those who now see that it is Congress holding up a deal, will get off their asses and get Obama a congress that will pass the budget that he really wants. The only way that happens is if Nancy Pelosi is holding the gavel.

    •  Plan on losing 2014 (5+ / 0-)

      if you can't see past your own talking points to an effective strategy for winning.

      Cutting social security is bad policy, bad politics, bad sense.

      Cling to that at your peril.

      What's the point of letting neoliberals into the tent when neoliberalism is burning down the campground?
      Since elections will never change the ownership of government, why does our strategy rely entirely upon them?

      by Words In Action on Wed Apr 10, 2013 at 11:05:27 AM PDT

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      •  My own talking point? Did you not read the article (0+ / 0-)

        Okay, so the progessives are going to stay angry at obama about putting SS on the "TABLE" and stay home in 2014...

        How did they work out the last time?

        Yeah, thats what I thought.

        •  How did they work out the last time? (4+ / 0-)

          Ask yourself that in terms of following YOUR strategy last time -- ignoring the Left and the populist fervor across the nation.

          THAT's how we lost.

          Plan to lose again if you are too proud to learn from that mistake.

          What's the point of letting neoliberals into the tent when neoliberalism is burning down the campground?
          Since elections will never change the ownership of government, why does our strategy rely entirely upon them?

          by Words In Action on Wed Apr 10, 2013 at 11:22:59 AM PDT

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        •  The nation doesn't want austerity, it doesn't (5+ / 0-)

          want to protect Wall Street criminals.

          It want's a President who will fight for and protect the Middle Class and the vulnerable.

          He's not offering that.

          You're not forcing him to offer that.

          The people, they aren't going to be happy.

          They don't give a shit what his strategy is.

          They don't care if he thinks this is what serious people do.

          They want him to serve them, not the Republicans, not the rich.

          2014 is on the line. Pass it on.

          What's the point of letting neoliberals into the tent when neoliberalism is burning down the campground?
          Since elections will never change the ownership of government, why does our strategy rely entirely upon them?

          by Words In Action on Wed Apr 10, 2013 at 11:28:12 AM PDT

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    •  That is the 11th dimensional chess argument (7+ / 0-)

      which has been thoroughly debunked in several recent diaries, particularly in the blog-roll for SS.

      He's not doing anything other than proposing what he wants.  It is not a fancy strategizing maneuver or "showing the country he is reasonable," or "tricking the Republicans," or anything else.

      The country doesn't pay attention to the ins-and-outs of political games in Washington.  They barely read the headlines when the final bills pass.  The percentage of people who actually follow politics closely is low.  (In 2012, only 37% said they followed the Presidential Election itself closely. It's much lower than that on policies and various bills.)

      He's proposing what he wants.  He wants to cut Social Security and he has continually said so for a long long time -- since before he was elected president.

      "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

      by YucatanMan on Wed Apr 10, 2013 at 11:41:56 AM PDT

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      •  As you say (4+ / 0-)
        The country doesn't pay attention to the ins-and-outs of political games in Washington.  They barely read the headlines when the final bills pass.
         

        All they care about is: is he working for me?

        Populism wins elections.

        Wall St. protectionism and austerity? FAIL.

        What's the point of letting neoliberals into the tent when neoliberalism is burning down the campground?
        Since elections will never change the ownership of government, why does our strategy rely entirely upon them?

        by Words In Action on Wed Apr 10, 2013 at 11:49:06 AM PDT

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