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  •  You should have voted for Stein if your vote (10+ / 0-)

    didn't matter. That's what I did, living in a state that was going to Obama.

    The left knew this was going to happen by the way. From a post-election appraisal:

    In a few months, the president will reach out to his old pal Paul Ryan to take a stroll across that tragic terrain known as the common ground in pursuit of those twin obsessions of the elites: deficit reduction and entitlement reform. In the name of political conciliation, Obama will piously move to slash away at Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and the last frail fabrics of the federal social welfare programs.  These savage cuts will be enthusiastically cheered by the mainstream press, Wall Street and the Washington establishment.

    American exceptionalism is America's road to perdition.

    by Alexandre on Mon Apr 08, 2013 at 09:12:03 PM PDT

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    •  Same here (3+ / 0-)
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      I voted for Stein and I have no regrets whatsoever.

      And, since I'm in Blue state, it was an easy choice.

      Nevertheless, considering what Obama has done since the start of his second administration, I probably would do the same thing again even if I was living in a swing state.

      Obama has taught me that voting in your best interest doesn't always mean voting along party lines--quite the opposite in fact.

      It took decades for me to finally realize that always voting for the Democrats wasn't necessarily the best strategy.

      At this point, with Obama working to undermine the New Deal, I'm really starting to love divided government. With both parties having similar agendas that are against my best interests, I'm better off voting in a way that will insure gridlock without regard to party.

      I'll remain a registered Democrat because there are primary elections where I might be able to make a difference. But, when it comes to the general election I'm going to do my best to throw a monkey wrench in the works.

      The only trouble with retirement is...I never get a day off!

      by Mr Robert on Mon Apr 08, 2013 at 10:17:06 PM PDT

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      •  It's not clear that the present gridlock won't (6+ / 0-)

        keep the New Deal from being dismantled.

        I agree that always voting for Democrats isn't the best strategy. But you seem to be implying that voting for a Republican might sometimes be a good idea—but it isn't. No progressive should throw Republicans a lifeline, to produce gridlock.

        The first step in restoring democracy to America is to let the Republican Party die as quickly as possible.

        American exceptionalism is America's road to perdition.

        by Alexandre on Mon Apr 08, 2013 at 10:49:38 PM PDT

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        •  The Republican Party isn't dying. (7+ / 0-)

          The Republicans are in disarray at the national level, but that's nothing compared to what's going to happen to the Democratic Party when the base realizes how badly they're getting screwed.
            The Republicans will probably come into 2016 in control of the Congress and with a stable of young attractive candiates.
             The Democratic frontrunners so far are Biden and Clinton, who would be in their 70s at the start of the Presidential term if they're elected.
             The Republicans have a really good shot at the Presidency in 2016.
             And, the Republicans are well organized to take state legislatures and governorships, which sets them up for a 2020 gerrymander.
             It also puts them in position to pass more restrictions on voting, to the disadvantage of Democrats.
             The emerging demographics look good for Democrats, but that can easily be pissed away with bad policy (chainedCPI, eg) and a paucity of good candidates.

          •  Yes, people who think we're in for a new (0+ / 0-)

            permanent Democratic wave need only consider the differences between how things looked just after 2006 and then just after 2010.

            Tides shift rapidly in politics. None of us knows what the future will dish out and how any particular politician will rise or fall to the occasion.

            "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

            by YucatanMan on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 02:23:00 PM PDT

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