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  •  you expected Pres. Obama to include this (17+ / 0-)

    in his message of condolence?!?

    Tell that the people of Chile who endured a military dictatorship run by Maggie's good friend Augusto Pinochet.  Also, ask the people of South Africa; Maggie referred to Nelson Mandela as a "terrorist" and opposed economic sanctions on the apartheid regime.  Ask the people of Northern Ireland about peaceful, freedom-loving coexistence while you're at it. What a champion freedom she was!

    "Tax cuts for the 1% create jobs." -- Republicans, HAHAHA - in China

    by MartyM on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 03:13:43 AM PDT

    •  While he had to say something nice he didn't have (48+ / 0-)

      to lay it on quite so thick:

      Michelle and I send our thoughts to the Thatcher family and all the British people as we carry on the work to which she dedicated her life—free peoples standing together, determined to write our own destiny
      I bolded the "we," as it fits the president's budget that was leaked the other day.  Thatcher would've loved the idea of a Dem president being the one to willingly de-energize the political third rail of SS.  It's entirely consistent w/ this quote of hers:
      They're casting their problem on society. And, you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It's our duty to look after ourselves and then, also to look after our neighbour. People have got the entitlements too much in mind, without the obligations, because there is no such thing as an entitlement unless someone has first met an obligation
      I'd kill for a Dem president who publicly pointed out that SS and Medicare aren't "entitlements," they're earned benefits.  The eleven dimensional chess that we've seen w/ the CFC and everything that has followed plays into the Thatcheresque derision of those 47% who are allegedly mooching off the rest.  People occasionally forget that Thatcher's tenure as PM predated St. Ronnie's presidency and helped set the stage for it.

      I'd also mention this quote of Thatcher's:

      Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them
      It's a shame that all of those socialists like Greenspan, Bernanke, W, Cheney, et. al. made such a financial mess last decade.  Good thing that the taxpayers didn't have to clean up their mess for them.   I wonder if the president was aware of that quote of hers, esp. in the context of his economic approach.

      Finally, as to that "free people" malarkey, those of us who are of Irish descent love the following quote:

      I have made it quite clear — and so did Mr Prior when he was Secretary of State for Northern Ireland — that a unified Ireland was one solution. That is out. A second solution was confederation of two states. That is out. A third solution was joint authority. That is out. That is a derogation from sovereignty
      Like I said, politely noting her passing w/ much more verbal restraint would've been a whole lot better.  The scary thing is, I suspect the president largely meant what he said about that utterly awful woman.

      Some men see things as they are and ask why. I dream of things that never were and ask why not?

      by RFK Lives on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 06:09:47 AM PDT

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      •  The President didn't have to say something "nice." (8+ / 0-)

        He didn't have to say anything at all.

        Quite a few people die every day without eulogies from the President of the United States. Where is it written that every politician, no matter how offensive they were in life, gets a posthumous fare-thee-well?

        Thatcher was one of the worst, most utterly despicable motherfuckers of the 20th century. Her loathsome personality was matched by her loathsome politics.

        Good fucking riddance.

        When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

        by PhilJD on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 07:41:54 AM PDT

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        •  Yeah, but she was the Prime Minister (9+ / 0-)

          of one of our major allies.  So I think it is appropriate for him to have said something. I just wish that rather than this:

          "Michelle and I send our thoughts to the Thatcher family and all the British people as we carry on the work to which she dedicated her life—free peoples standing together, determined to write our own destiny."
          It was more like this:
          "Michelle and I send our thoughts to the Thatcher family."
          But then again, for a politician who wants to cut the safety net and strengthen the national security state, perhaps in Orwellian newspeak his actual statement is more appropriate.
          •  I could--grudgingly--live with your revision. (7+ / 0-)

            Would the President have eulogized Stalin though--another of our "major allies," once upon a time?

            When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

            by PhilJD on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 07:52:44 AM PDT

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          •  And did Sir Alec Douglas-Home (6+ / 0-)
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            get a eulogy delivered by the President of the United States? James Callaghan? Edward Heath?

            No, they didn't. This is about Obama's visceral need to genuflect to the Right at every chance.

            "Violence never requires translation, but it often causes deafness." - Bareesh the Hutt.

            by Australian2 on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 07:55:28 AM PDT

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            •  I agree with you in terms of what Obama (3+ / 0-)
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              said.  My point is solely that political relations sometimes require certain niceties that can be observed without the right-wing genuflection that he did.

              •  I think that we're all roughly in agreement here (4+ / 0-)

                Both Callaghan and Heath died in 2005, and I don't recall W noting either death.  Granted, Thatcher was a much more noteworthy figure than either of them--almost totally in a negative sense.

                Basic diplomatic niceties required the president to say something, and I suspect that Biden and/or Kerry will attend the funeral.  There was no obligation, however, for Obama to say things that I really hope that he was lying about.  As I noted above, I fear that he wasn't lying.

                Some men see things as they are and ask why. I dream of things that never were and ask why not?

                by RFK Lives on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 08:25:23 AM PDT

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                •  BTW, let's not forget Thatcher's comments on ANC (8+ / 0-)

                  in 1987:

                  When the ANC says that they will target British companies. This shows what a typical terrorist organisation it is. I fought terrorism all my life and if more people fought it, and we were all more successful, we should not have it and I hope that everyone in this hall will think it is right to go on fighting terrorism. They will if they believe in democracy
                  WTF is the president talking about w/ his "free people" comment?  

                  Some men see things as they are and ask why. I dream of things that never were and ask why not?

                  by RFK Lives on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 08:31:32 AM PDT

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                •  Thatcher was the 1st woman PM, makes her different (0+ / 0-)

                  She was a monster, but the fact that she was the first woman to lead the US's closest ally, that makes her (unfortunately) much more significant than 3 dead white guys who hadn't held power in 20-30 years when they died.  

                  Like it or not, Thatcher being a woman automatically makes her more "historic" than Heath, Callaghan & Douglas-Home.  

                  Plus, she was the longest serving PM of the 20th century, serving much longer than those 3.  

                  So it should be expected that she gets more of a tribute than the other 3 mentioned.  And said tribute shouldn't be interpreted as praise for everything she ever said & done.

                  •  The it shouldn't have included praise for (0+ / 0-)

                    her insane politics.

                    It didn't have to.  This shit is written by pro's who put a lot of time into it.  

                    It would have been very easy to simply praise her personally as being dedicated, passionate, ect. without claiming that the brutality she unleashed upon the world was part of any fight for freedom.

                    Michelle and I send our thoughts to the Thatcher family and all the British people as we carry on the work to which she dedicated her life" President Obama, on the passing of Margaret Thatcher.

                    by JesseCW on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 06:13:57 PM PDT

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            •  And that really cool Canadian guy (0+ / 0-)

              who died recently...damn, what was his name? Canadian Kossacks, help me out. Famous Canadian progressive.

              if necessary for years; if necessary, alone

              by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 09:16:15 AM PDT

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            •  Of course it is (0+ / 0-)

              [pats hands]

              There there.

              Why indulge in simple human decency when the are caskets to be shit into?

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        •  Obama didn't have to say anything at all (3+ / 0-)
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          but, I think he did leave it to the bare minimum without unnecessary (insincere really) gushing.  It's what you expect at the highest level of statesmanship. Gravitas and class.  I am glad he is President, and quite proud that he is.
          I'll also be looking forward to either Kerry or Biden attending the funeral.

          •  So I guess you would call this statement (3+ / 0-)
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            about a radical right-wing, anti-union, anti-freedom, pro-militaristic and pro-authoritarian politician necessary gushing:

            "...as we carry on the work to which she dedicated her life—free peoples standing together, determined to write our own destiny."
        •  Amen to that. (0+ / 0-)

          All she proved is women in leadership can be as fucked up as men.

          What do we want? Universal health care! When do we want it? Now!

          by cagernant on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 11:29:35 AM PDT

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      •  Well, he's being honest about it I guess. (4+ / 0-)
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        He's finishing her work economically and politically, if not militarily (I think Maggie would have been actively at war with Iran by now).

        if necessary for years; if necessary, alone

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 09:15:19 AM PDT

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    •  Compare the statement (27+ / 0-)

      for George McGovern, since McGovern was mentioned in the diary. In its entirety:

      George McGovern dedicated his life to serving the country he loved. He signed up to fight in World War II, and became a decorated bomber pilot over the battlefields of Europe. When the people of South Dakota sent him to Washington, this hero of war became a champion for peace. And after his career in Congress, he became a leading voice in the fight against hunger. George was a statesman of great conscience and conviction, and Michelle and I share our thoughts and prayers with his family.
      Nice enough, but nothing so over the top as the Thatcher statement. Not a peep about carrying on the work to which McGovern dedicated his life.

      It's become quite clear where this President's admiration lies and where it doesn't.

      Republicans...think the American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire the Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it. Harry S. Truman

      by fenway49 on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 06:23:39 AM PDT

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    •  He wasn't required to praise support for Apartheid (10+ / 0-)

      or call it a fight for freedom.

      Michelle and I send our thoughts to the Thatcher family and all the British people as we carry on the work to which she dedicated her life" President Obama, on the passing of Margaret Thatcher.

      by JesseCW on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 06:44:07 AM PDT

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