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  •  Gun Fail is a series of diaries that originally (10+ / 0-)

    mocked kids (and others) getting killed. The diaries themselves have since a while ago have kept that sort of language out, but the premise is the same. Instead of using statistics it uses anecdote to give the impression that people are killed by accident all the time. Actually gun accidents in the US are very low and lower all the time. Canada has 1/3 again as many, and according to the CDC gun accidents are very rare.

    You realize your 30K are mostly suicide don't you? LEOs don't do much with them except fill out reports and call the ambulance. Rhetoric on gun control is simply rhetoric, often misleading, and if it weren't about a serious subject would be laughable.

    How big is your personal carbon footprint?

    by ban nock on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 10:36:30 AM PDT

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    •  So the Gun Fail diary incidents never happened? (3+ / 0-)
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      First, I dispute the premise:  yes, the diaries take on an emotional, anecdotal storyline.  But no, the statistics are real.  The Gun Fail Diaries are but a fraction of the incidents that happen EVERY DAY.

       What is "very rare"? By law, the CDC can't even study gun incidents as well as they need to.  But, here's what they have to say:

      Among 18 countries with detailed national injury death data available for analysis, the United States had the fifth highest injury death rate for teens and young adults 15–24 years of age. Only Colombia, South Africa, Brazil, and Puerto Rico had higher rates.  
      And why is that?
      Under 25 years of age: Motor vehicle traffic accidents were the leading cause of injury death in this age group except for the black population, for whom firearms were the leading cause of injury death. Nearly 9 out of 10 of the firearm deaths among the young black population were homicides. Firearms were the second leading cause of death for each of the other race and ethnic groups.  Motor vehicle traffic accidents were the leading cause of injury death in this age group for the other 17 countries studied as well.
      So, the CDC data, as little as it is because of the rules restricting their study of gun incidents, clearly show that the reason for the high rate of deaths in the 15 - 24 age group as compared to the other countries studied is gun deaths.

      The fact is people ARE getting killed by gun accidents all the time.  EVERY DAY in the US there are deaths by accidental gun injury, and  hundreds of incidents of non-lethal gun injuries.  And the biggest point of the Gun Fail diaries is that most of those incidents were committed by "responsible gun owners" - people who were thought to be responsible with their guns right up until the incident that proved they weren't.

      It's not just gun deaths that LEO has to deal with, it's ALL run related incidents. And all those gun related incidents are the propaganda that LEO is using to justify their budgets and their trampling of constitutional rights.

      Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear. ~William E. Gladstone, 1866

      by absdoggy on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 11:45:54 AM PDT

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      •  Cherry pick much? (3+ / 0-)
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        First you say the CDC doesn't have the data, then you use injury death when the diaries are about accidental death.

        Do some reading, go back to the CDC site.

        Accidental death by firearm is around 600 per year. A fraction of that by poison, drowning, machines, freezing, and so on. Not even in the top ten. Choking is more common.

        Give me a break.

        How big is your personal carbon footprint?

        by ban nock on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 07:20:17 PM PDT

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