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  •  Of course (1+ / 0-)
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    There were some, as the burning of the cabin shows. But the populations in the north of New Hampshire at this particular point in history were small and the remaining Native Americans moved around the land a lot rather than being settled in more permanent villages.

    Republicans...think the American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire the Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it. Harry S. Truman

    by fenway49 on Sat Apr 13, 2013 at 06:56:56 PM PDT

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    •  They moved around, right (2+ / 0-)
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      Jim H, navajo

      That doesn't mean they weren't there. It means they moved around. The population wasn't so dense, but they were there. They got driven out. That's the history of America, and you're doing a real disservice to pretend there were uninhabited areas any of the settlers moved into.

      In a related vein: There's been some bizarre definitions regarding endangered species. If there's a forest area where Bald Eagles nest, for example, you can't disturb their nests. So you can't go cutting down the tree a nest is in. But only during nesting season. Cut down a whole section of forest, eliminating the nesting area entirely, has been known to occur. But they cut it down in the fall. "I don't see any eagles around here. Do you?" They make future nesting impossible, but they don't disturb any nests.

      Analogous situation.

      Mark Twain: It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.

      by Land of Enchantment on Sat Apr 13, 2013 at 07:39:53 PM PDT

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      •  I don't agree (1+ / 0-)
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        I'm reporting numerical facts, not "pretending" anything, and I'm somewhat offended by the implication. You say "they were there." 1,000 people were there. 1,000 people in the entire northern 1/2 of New Hampshire is, in my book, "mostly uninhabited." I did not mean to suggest that there were zero Native Americans, nor to minimize the impact of their losing their land.

        My point is that, in this particular area, they lost their land before large numbers of English moved north into it, for various reasons. The large growth in English settlement in the late 1700s didn't help them come back, but in the 1760s there were not many there.

        Republicans...think the American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire the Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it. Harry S. Truman

        by fenway49 on Sat Apr 13, 2013 at 07:52:53 PM PDT

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        •  I stand corrected (1+ / 0-)
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          They didn't all get driven off. Many got killed off, too, so then the area BECAME "uninhabited." A distinction without a difference to my thinking.

          If you said that the area was depopulated, that would be one thing. I could go along with that. To say it was uninhabited is an entirely different matter, sweeping the truth of the matter under the rug.

          Mark Twain: It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.

          by Land of Enchantment on Sun Apr 14, 2013 at 06:07:21 AM PDT

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          •  I'm not trying to tell (0+ / 0-)

            the whole story of everything that happened to the Abenaki. I'm trying to tell the story of a guy in my family who moved north in 1765, in a genealogy forum.

            After the French and Indian War ended, a lot of people moved from Massachusetts and Connecticut up into New Hampshire and Vermont. At the time they did so, there were not many people living there. A couple of thousand Native Americans living in an area of 18,000 square miles or so. I'm not saying anything about how it got that way, and I'm not saying this Nathan Caswell (whom I obviously never met) is a pure good guy in the story.

            If you want me to say depopulated instead of "mostly uninhabited," fine, I'll edit it. But I'm not trying to sweep anything under any rug. There were Native Americans all over New England, the rest of the U.S., and Canada. Europeans came and pushed them off the land, taking more and more until there was nothing left but isolated reservations. I get that.

            Republicans...think the American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire the Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it. Harry S. Truman

            by fenway49 on Sun Apr 14, 2013 at 12:58:44 PM PDT

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