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  •  Do I hear a dog whistle? (13+ / 0-)

    Why yes. Yes I do.

    It can be dangerous to read to much into scripted remarks made at least somewhat off-the-cuff of course; some people are not good interview subjects. However I'll note the following:

    But my book is arguing for a Judeo-Christian faith, which is the heart of America. We cannot abandon the Judeo-Christian tradition.
    As we know, Judaism is a religion distinct from Christianity in all forms. I'm not sure what "faith" Corsi is referring to but as far as I know there is no such religion as "Judeo-Christianity." Unless he somehow thinks that Messianic Judaism is the foundation of our country. Seems pretty unlikely; I'm fairly sure no such thing existed at the end of the 18th Century. And when I hear talk of "Judeo-Christian tradition" all I can think of is the tradition by which the "Judeo" part is persecuted and marginalized by the "Christian" part (for examples, look up the Inquisition). I'm reasonably certain our nation wasn't founded on that model.
    •  I agree with you on the dog-whistle. (8+ / 0-)

      I also agree that the term "judeo-christian" is a silly one, particularly given that most right-wingers aren't generally friendly to non-christians.  That said, I think what they're talking about is a monotheistic religion that involves the old testament (complete with 10 Commandments).  

      •  "judeo-christian"= Protestantism. (3+ / 0-)
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        The kind of christianity that pays (more) attention to their OT.

        And/or "the kind of Christian that doesn't want to exterminate Jews." I doubt it's coincidence that the phrase increased in use after WWII.

        Though I suppose that most people assume it means "us american christians and the jew who are just like american christians"...

        •  No, "Judeo-Christian" does not mean Protestantism (0+ / 0-)

          And Protestantism is not "the kind of Christianity that pays (more) attention to their OT."

          Protestantism is the kind of Christianity that is descended to the reformers whose followers left Catholicism. Those would be Luther, Zwingli, etc. It also includes the fairly large group of denominations tied to the English Reformation: Anglicanism, Methodism, etc.

          "Judeo-Christian" refers to the joint religious tradition of Judaism and Christianity. As you may know, Christianity is essentially a child of Judaism, so it does indeed make sense in some circumstances to refer to a shared tradition. The phrase increased in use after WWII in large measure because of the growth of ecumenism in the middle part of the last century and the realization on the part of Christian organizations that a unified voice was needed to try to avoid repetitions of the Holocaust.

          In current RW usage, alas, it's most often used to differentiate between the "good" Abrahamic religions (i.e., Judaism and Christianity) and the "bad" Abrahamic religion (i.e., Islam). [Please note that the "good" and "bad" labels are implied in the RW usage and do not reflect my own feelings on this subject.]

          So, yes, these folk are using the term as a sort of dog whistle, but that doesn't mean the term is otherwise meaningless or inherently tainted. Let's not give up the language to those who abuse it.

          "Do it in the name of Heaven; you can justify it in the end..." - Dennis Lambert & Brian Potter

          by pragmaticidealist on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 07:31:34 PM PDT

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    •  I'll be a little more charitable (4+ / 0-)
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      The founding fathers did have Jews, among others, in mind when they wrote the First Amendment and the clause in the original Consitution prohibiting a religious test for holding public office.  In surpport of this I would cite Lt. Col. Solomon Bush, a friend of George Washington's, service in the Revolutionary War, and George Washingon's address to the Touro synagogue in Newport, Rhode Island:  

      For happily the Government of the United States gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens, in giving it on all occasions their effectual support.
      Plus Jefferson's explanation of the Virginia Statute on Religious Freedom:
      Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.
       I think "Judeo-Christian" though came about so we Jews wouldn't feel excluded.

      "We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals, now we know that it is bad economics." Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Jan. 20, 1937

      by Navy Vet Terp on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 04:46:47 PM PDT

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