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  •  So...your assessment is that (0+ / 0-)

    this is a major step forward in gun regulation...akin to what the President proposed in his plan?

    No. The President's initial proposal was a middle ground proposal and now any and all gun regulations in that proposal have been removed.

    We are basically down to the legal commercial gun salespeople regulation on background checks. Something they already do in most states. And they're will be additional loopholes in that in Manchin has his way. He will. Now if you can pass a background check, go ahead and buy yourself a massive arsenal and happily gift them to your crazy skinhead friends. Or your nutcase Call Of Duty addicted cousin. Perfectly ok.


    •  oh, we didn't get everything we wanted first time (11+ / 0-)

      but all the talk about nothing can possibly happen anywhere because of the NRA turned out to be false.

      Robin Kelley IL-02
      Bloomberg's group (MAIG)now a major player with long term funding

      Double meh.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Wed Apr 10, 2013 at 05:04:17 AM PDT

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      •  I'll bet you $1 (0+ / 0-)

        you wont see any federal gun legislation for 20 years or until the next massacre, whichever comes first.


        •  Would this change your mind? (1+ / 0-)
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          Latinos are more likely than both whites and African Americans to favor strict gun control laws, according to a report released by the Pew Research Center on Wednesday.

          "Michael Moore, who was filming a movie about corporate welfare called 'Capitalism: A Love Story,' sought and received incentives."

          by Bush Bites on Wed Apr 10, 2013 at 05:13:00 AM PDT

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          •  In about 20 years, sure. (1+ / 0-)
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            That'll be about the time the minority vote will be at critical mass and we will be able to legislate enough control over rural white people in the South. But until that time, its just going to take more massacres. I mean in 50 to 100 years we can repeal the 2nd Amendment...but I mean that's kind of sad don't you think?

            Like I said before, the only thing that could possibly get us real serious gun and ammunition regulation is if someone ran into a maternity ward and committed an act of mass infanticide. That MIGHT get us at least restrictions on ammunition.

            I say MIGHT.

            •  One interesting dynamic is that rural population.. (2+ / 0-)
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     growing increasingly Hispanic, mainly in the West, I think.

              I wonder if this will cause rural voters to be more in favor of gun control, or Hispanic voters to be more against gun control?

              Between 2000 and 2010, the minority population, which included everyone other than non-Hispanic whites, accounted for 82.7 percent of rural population gain, even though minorities represented just 21 percent of the rural population. The minority population grew by 1.8 million (21.3 percent) during the decade compared with a gain of just 382,000 (.95 percent) among the much more numerous non-Hispanic white population. Hispanics accounted for most of the growth in the minority population.

              “Thus, while rural America remains less diverse than urban America, minority growth now accounts for most rural population increase, just as it does in urban areas,” Johnson says.


              Anyway, don't bet on rural whites -- they're a dying breed.

              "Michael Moore, who was filming a movie about corporate welfare called 'Capitalism: A Love Story,' sought and received incentives."

              by Bush Bites on Wed Apr 10, 2013 at 05:29:55 AM PDT

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        •  There's no need to be argumentative or (5+ / 0-)

          hostile.  Sounds like you hope you're right.  If so, shame on you.  But we get your point.  You're pessimistic.  Really pessimistic.  OK.  Your right, but repeating it ad nauseum is approaching diary hijacking.  Please knock it off.

          Many social changes in this country have taken generations, including abolition and women's suffrage.  Anthony and Stanton never saw women vote.  MLK never saw a proudly bi-racial President.

          In my lifetime I've seen attitudes, laws and behaviors change on smoking, drinking and driving, race, bi-racial and same sex marriage and homosexuality, among other things.  You never get there if you don't take the first steps.

      •  This matters (4+ / 0-)
        Robin Kelley IL-02

        Organizing is what you do before you do something, so that when you do it, it is not all mixed up. A. A. Milne

        by hulibow on Wed Apr 10, 2013 at 05:21:42 AM PDT

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