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  •  Appreciate your writing.... (26+ / 0-)
    If you are an Obama supporter, particularly if you are a strong and passionate Obama supporter, especially if you are one who is often frustrated with what you see as your President being treated too disrespectfully or with what you see as commentary being filled with too much bile, well, you should oppose him as strongly on this front for his own good and his future political well-being as resoundingly as anyone. Stop. Think. What happens if the GOP uses the blowback to win the Senate and increase its GOP House Majority? Especially to the Obama administration itself? To be blunt, Whitewater meets the Arkansas Project on Meth and Steroids.

    "Lets show the rascals what Citizens United really means."

    by smiley7 on Thu Apr 11, 2013 at 12:20:20 PM PDT

    •  It seems to me, smiley7 (13+ / 0-)

      that it is vitally important for every single Democrat in the tent to be on board with pushing back. We must not, must not let this turn into another "rox" vs. "sux" fight.

      Every Democrat gets hurt by this being seen as a Democratic Party policy desire. Every Democrat has skin in the game of stopping this. There are ways to oppose this, and advocate against it, that don't devolve into "rox" vs "sux".

      There are arguments to be made that should be made to the passionate Obama supporter who is quickly turned off by a discussion going from zero to Obama is worse than Nixon in ten seconds flat. I'm not here to be right, and be able to say "I told you and you and you so!" I'm here to stop a trainwreck.

      A BlackWaterDog true believer, somebody who spends their time "Chasing Purity" has skin in the killing Chained CPI game. If you make an argument, and I did.

      Even if you usually take the position that "I trust him, and you people piss me off when you don't" there is an argument to be made that doesn't involve "rox" vs. "sux".

      This could lead to a GOP Senate and a GOP House. Which would lead to Ted Cruz with a gavel or worse. If a person cannot be against this because they, in a world where you could divorce politics from politics, just trust the President and his judgement, they should be opposed to the politics of how this will blow up in the President's face in real time right before their eyes. There is no Hippy Punch where this becomes a good play. One where the pain and frustration of wondering if the man you considered the best President of your lifetime is facing impeachment because of something he did having ramifications that you, somehow, need to be outside of the beltway to remember or see.

      I am from the Elizabeth Warren and Darcy Burner wing of the Democratic Party

      by LeftHandedMan on Thu Apr 11, 2013 at 03:13:52 PM PDT

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      •  Beyond agreement with you if that's possible... (9+ / 0-)

        and the fight in the trenches must counter Peterson and his growing list of state-wide chapters of Fix the Debters whose siren calls intoxicate even the best-intended but unknowing party members and leaders; a back-room seduction hard to resist for congresscritters needing big bucks for re-election, too.

        It's time again to stand together or die together, paraphrasing a founder's phrase, security is that important!


        "Lets show the rascals what Citizens United really means."

        by smiley7 on Thu Apr 11, 2013 at 03:59:46 PM PDT

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      •  You can't impeach a president (1+ / 0-)
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        for submitting a budget, even if you don't like it.

        But you can run against a bad one, and what it implies about division in the party.

        •  I never said you could (0+ / 0-)

          what I said was this:

          The GOP runs on protecting Social Security from "the Obama/Democrat Party/Reid/Pelosi Social Security Cuts", retakes the Senate and controls both Houses of the Congress in November 2014, and then gins up an impeachment which couldn't otherwise happen unless they were given such a stupid own-goal gift to use as a weapon.  

          I am from the Elizabeth Warren and Darcy Burner wing of the Democratic Party

          by LeftHandedMan on Thu Apr 11, 2013 at 09:49:37 PM PDT

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        •  Yes you can. An impeachable offense is whatever (0+ / 0-)

          congress decides it is.  If the House votes to impeach and the Senate votes to convict because Obama is a black man then being a black man is an impeachable offense and there is nothing anyone can do about it short of voting them out.  Of course, they wouldn't be that direct and would use some kind of CT based pretext.

          You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

          by Throw The Bums Out on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 01:36:35 AM PDT

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          •  Bullshit. (0+ / 0-)

            Article One of the US Constitution states quite clearly limits impeachment at the federal level to charges of "treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors".

            "High crimes and misdemeanors," being left up to the House to decide, but so far in this country articles of impeachment have conformed to criminal charges, and none against a POTUS has officially garnered a two-thirds majority vote of the Senate as required to convict. Andrew Johnson was impeached in 1868 for violating the newly created Tenure of Office Act (later judged unconstitutional), the vote fell one short. Neither of the charges for which Clinton was impeached were anywhere close to two-thirds. Those crimes were perjury and obstruction of justice.

            Even today's crazy Repukes won't impeach Obama for being half black, since being half black isn't a crime, nor is it a disqualification for holding office. Last I checked, being a female wouldn't be an impeachable offense either.

            •  And what would stop them? The only possible thing (0+ / 0-)

              would be the Supreme Court and you can bet they would consider that a "political question" and stay out of it.

              You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

              by Throw The Bums Out on Sat Apr 13, 2013 at 03:03:03 AM PDT

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              •  Impeachment for being half black (0+ / 0-)

                simply won't fly. It will never be brought. It would cost some dedicated politicians their careers.

                Simply won't happen. Ever.

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