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  •  Don't know that it's so gaping. (10+ / 0-)

    It's pretty hard to track informal sales between friends, family members, neighbors, criminals.

    One group has an incentive not to sell to lunatics -- they might be the next victim.

    Another group won't care about the law anyway and realize that it would be damned difficult to enforce.

    The practical effect of the loophole is likely to be less than your imagination can conjure.

    Still a hole, just not as bad as first glance might suggest, and not a terrible trade for getting the others.

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    by dinotrac on Wed Apr 10, 2013 at 09:29:14 AM PDT

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    •  I agree, fwiw. (1+ / 0-)
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      by jeff in nyc on Wed Apr 10, 2013 at 09:58:59 AM PDT

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    •  Thanx for explaining, can you elaborate... (0+ / 0-)

      ...on what TPM is calling " non-commercial, private sales"? are the same are face-to-face? And what are back of the car sales that happen say at a gun sale parking lot?

      If you know .. there are lots of details to come...

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      by BlueStateRedhead on Wed Apr 10, 2013 at 10:15:45 AM PDT

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      •  A non commercial private sale would be between (3+ / 0-)

        two individuals who are not in the business of selling guns.  An example would be back of the car sales in a parking lot.

        These are still governed by state law.  For example, in my state, these types of sales are perfectly legal but it is required that the person making the purchase have either a concealed carry permit or a pistol purchase permit in order to buy a handgun.  A long gun (e.g. rifle or shotgun) with a barrel over 16" may still be purchased directly.  Note, though, that long guns represent a very small fraction of guns used in crimes.

        •  It will be exploited rapidly... (0+ / 0-)

          ...by a small but growing number of people. Because that's how we roll in this country: create very small, limited exceptions, then have some group not party to the initial exception complain that they "are at undue, arbitrary and capricious disadvantage" and extend the exception to them.

          Rinse and repeat.

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          by Egalitare on Wed Apr 10, 2013 at 10:44:56 AM PDT

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          •  Yes it will, but it would be exploited with or (2+ / 0-)
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            without a loophole.

            By that, I mean that the people we would least want to get guns -- violent criminals -- won't care about the legalities. They'll steal them, smuggle them, do whatever they need to.

            That doesn't mean that we need to make it easy, but there was a get for the give and the give is probably less dramatic than it seems at first blush.

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            by dinotrac on Wed Apr 10, 2013 at 11:55:36 AM PDT

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      •  The bill includes a new federal law (2+ / 0-)
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        against gun trafficking and straw purchase sales. (That provision is likely to pass.) That might reduce some of the parking lot sales, especially those where the seller shows up with a whole trunk load of guns at a gun show or in an urban back alley.

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