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  •  a lot of kossacks buy this (5+ / 0-)

    it just isn't true. There are many programs, such as medicare, where lower income people pay less in some manner.

    The real killer of entitlement programs is when people perceive that a racial group other than their own is the primary beneficiary. Because SS applies to everyone (and in fact disadvantaged minorities get substantially less of the pie than average) that dynamic is not at play here. Even if the wealthy pay more, they will still get a check.

    •  and I should note that lower income people (3+ / 0-)
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      pay less for medicare in terms of the premium, not the tax, but that premium is a big chunk of change.

      •  isn't that done thru a medi-caid program? (1+ / 0-)
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        and not a Medicare subsidy?

        I have a neighbor  who has her premiums for Medi-care paid that way, she says.

        lower income people pay less for medicare in terms of the premium

        "Who are these men who really run this land? And why do they run it with such a thoughtless hand?" David Crosby

        by allenjo on Wed Apr 10, 2013 at 11:27:35 AM PDT

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    •  Roosevelt "bought that" when he (4+ / 0-)
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      designed Social Security.  If you read the links in my comment here, it is clear that this notion -- that Social Security should be wage insurance, or a "you get what you pay for" system, and should be structured so it cannot be considered "welfare" or "the dole" -- was the underlying premise behind the entire system, and was based on FDR's political calculation.  FDR's political calculation in designing SS is at direct odds with yours:  you are saying that it doesn't matter if it becomes "the dole" or "welfare."  

      I agree with FDR on this one.  

    •  sue, a lot of kossacks buy this because it is true (1+ / 0-)
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      Changing the foundational principles of SocSec places the program at political risk. SocSec is wage insurance for individuals. It is not a program to redistribute income and wealth. I wrote a diary on this for Social Security Defenders during the recent blog-a-thon.

      You can find the diary here:

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Wed Apr 10, 2013 at 06:35:06 PM PDT

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