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  •  Obama tricks republicans? (1+ / 0-)
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    My apologies if someone already said this, but I'm genuinely confused.  If there is one thing Obama cannot be accused of, it is being stupid.

    So what has happened here is that Obama proposed chained CPI, which many view as a cut to the rate at which social security benefits grow in relation to inflation/prices/whatever.

    Now the republicans are using this attack against him.  they are OPPOSED To cuts in social security and apparently in medicare.  They reflexively oppose everything obama does, so now they are railing against him for providing the kinds of cuts to social programs that most of their extremist leadership actually wants.  

    I can see how this is very bad, and how Democrats now appear willing to wage war on the middle class as much as republicans are.  I get it.  But, are we missing something?  Did Obama just trick Republicans into opposing ANY cuts to social security/medicare?  

    I really don't know the answer, and I'm not apologizing for Obama.  Just a thought.

    •  They're making him really OWN it (4+ / 0-)
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      that's what's happening now. He'll either have to double down or give it up. Which do you think he'll choose? Putting Dems MORE in the hole too!

      •  trick (2+ / 0-)
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        So Obama isn't running for re election.  I guess any democrat who is running in 2014 would basically HAVE to oppose these cuts, right?  Especially since Republicans are doing so.  

        Then you have a mid term in which no one is talking about major changes to social security or medicare anymore.  Obama can ditch the issue rather quickly, and then all of a sudden, maybe SS and medicare are a little safer now that Republicans have spent energy on fighting against this kind of "entitlement reform?"  

        It sounds risky and far fetched in a certain way, but I don't know.... i think its hard to argue with the fact that this move, whatever it was intended to be, will result in protecting social security benefits for another few years at least.  Right?

        •  Except he is a Democrat-- (0+ / 0-)

          the most powerful Democrat in office. That kind of thing tends to get him and his policies hung around the necks of other Democrats running for office, regardless of whether those other Dems voted for those policies or not.

          "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

          by bryduck on Wed Apr 10, 2013 at 03:12:04 PM PDT

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    •  You're missing an important point.... (0+ / 0-)

      Republicans claim Obama isn't cutting enough. And without Democratic support he can only get a deal by moving even more toward them.

      Obama has never tricked anyone but we who voted for him.

    •  no ...what you are missing is they (0+ / 0-)

      are forcing him to own it unambiguously....(he is holding entitlements hostage)

      Its messaging.  They will say they ultimately did it for the good of the country.  And then force it to pass with majority Dem votes.

      Think Bailout.  They will give it just enough support to pass, but make Dems carry the ball into the end zone.

      "Small Businesses Don't Build Levees" - Melissa Harris Perry

      by justmy2 on Wed Apr 10, 2013 at 02:46:46 PM PDT

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    •  Not to mention...this now creates (0+ / 0-)

      essentially a summer long debate about how to cut SS and by how much, instead of how to create jobs.   Republicans will say their version is more sensible, market based and wont result in benefit cuts.

      "Small Businesses Don't Build Levees" - Melissa Harris Perry

      by justmy2 on Wed Apr 10, 2013 at 02:55:55 PM PDT

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      •  yeah (0+ / 0-)

        I can agree with you that anything that diverts from discussions of job creation (aka everything congress does) is bad for the country.  

        And I'm not defending Obama here either.  It just seems like such an incredibly stupid move at first glance that I'm trying to put myself in his shoes and see if there is some reason for what he did other than being "Very Serious" or just terrible at negotiating.  

        I mean, its pretty hard to get to his position in life (or even to be a law professor at U of C) by being bad at this stuff, isn't it?

        •  You are assuming that his goal is the same as your (0+ / 0-)

          Goals.  There are very reasonable reasons to do this based on a certain target.  We are just hoping that target isn't really the on he is aiming for.  We will never really know though.

          "Small Businesses Don't Build Levees" - Melissa Harris Perry

          by justmy2 on Wed Apr 10, 2013 at 04:08:16 PM PDT

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