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  •  In 2010, unlike in 2008 and 2012, Barack (3+ / 0-)
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    Obama was not on the ballot. That is why the GOP won. If we had our druthers, he'd be on the ballot in 2014. But alas, that is not possible. Still, to blame the midterms on him when the main reason we lost was because we did not have his name on the ballot seems quite unfair.

    •  It's looking pretty Reaganesque (6+ / 0-)

      Win the Presidential elections, lose both midterms badly, for a net result of little real good for average people.  And the CEO class patting each other on the back- and then lighting a hundred dollar bill with which to light their cigars.

      People voted for Reagan with enthusiasm and he let his administration screw them.  Hey, if it's done with consent, it must be for the good.

      •  He's accomplished a great deal for (1+ / 0-)
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        average people. In addition, he has valiantly fought back continuous GOP attempts to hurt average people. And in elevating Hillary when he could have destroyed her, he has increased the likelihood that the Dems can inhabit the White House for 16 year. If you don't think the Supreme Court created by such a run will help average people for many generations you are in the minority here.

        •  Not really (1+ / 0-)
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          You'd be surprised whose in the minority or a majority.  People gave him the benefit of the doubt for a long time.  He isn't going to be reelected so there's no need to feel the need to get behind him because of the "scary Paul Ryan."

          "Hatred is never appeased by hatred in this world. By non-hatred alone is hatred appeased. This is a law eternal."

          by sujigu on Wed Apr 10, 2013 at 02:47:29 PM PDT

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          •  I've got news for you. (1+ / 0-)
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            Barack Obama did not win the White House in a decisive manner because of Paul Ryan. Barack Obama is an historical figure, and is beloved by the majority of the American people. When you clumsily try to minimize him in such a way you really do your own credibility a disservice. Say you disagree with his policies if you do, but don't be so foolish as to accuse him of not being monstrously popular (in America and around the world).

        •  Meh. (4+ / 0-)
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          He was the more conservative candidate in '08.  No, he couldn't have "destroyed her" without busting the the Party.  It was a clear case of now vs. next.  The 50% of the Party then that voted for HRC and knew her to the more liberal and less accommodationist hasn't gone away- in fact it has probably expanded.  While a lot of 'centrists' and Edwards people have gone away.  And yes, she would've won the office if he hadn't.

          We've had to cajole and fight him on every significant issue.  Iraq.  Afghanistan.  Homeland Sec (so far unsuccessfully).  Single payer.  The '03 tax cut extension.  The Keystone pipeline.  McClurkin and gay rights.  Voting rights.  Immigration and citizenship.  Libya. Syria.  And on 14th Amendment issues in general- he always thinks that the difference can be split, and there's still no hill we can say for sure he will make his stand on.

    •  God I loathe hero worship. (16+ / 0-)

      Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!

      by bigtimecynic on Wed Apr 10, 2013 at 02:51:10 PM PDT

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    •  We lost in 2010 and will lose in 2014 because PBO (6+ / 0-)

      doesn't really give a good shit about the Democratic party or progressive values but only about his own electoral success and his "legacy," which he obviously doesn't see as closely connected at all with the aforesaid values.

      "If you don't read the newspapers, you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- M. Twain

      by Oliver St John Gogarty on Wed Apr 10, 2013 at 03:18:25 PM PDT

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