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  •  Thanks for the hopeful perspective Greg. (14+ / 0-)

    Here:

    All the doom-and-gloomers need to read this and understand it: this is an uphill battle. Recognize success, such as it is, and build on it. The Newtown families have been an extraordinary force, as has local activism and the tireless work of advocacy groups around the country. This is a long term commitment.
    Mandating seat belts took 19 years from Ralph Nader's Unsafe at Any Speed to the 1984 NY State first-in-nation law. Sensible gun legislation will take however long it takes.
    Its frustrating that this Toomey/Manchin compromise seems like literally the least that can be done short of doing nothing. Lets hope it's just the first in a series of battles won for gun safety.
    •  ultimately progress is incremental (2+ / 0-)
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      Glen The Plumber, glorificus

      we just need to continue onward

      In the time that I have been given,
      I am what I am

      by duhban on Thu Apr 11, 2013 at 05:16:46 AM PDT

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      •  one step forward one step back? (4+ / 0-)

        From Manchin - Toomey bill fact sheet found here on the Senators web site

        • Our bill also fixes problems in current law that unfairly limit the Second Amendment rights of law abiding gun owners by:
        o Allowing interstate handgun sales from licensed dealers.  Outdated current law only allows interstate sales of rifles and shotguns.  This will bring more sales into the background check system.
        o Allowing active military to buy firearms in their home states and the state in which they are stationed.  Current law restricts them to purchasing only from their duty station.
        o Allowing dealer-to-dealer sales at gun shows taking place in a state in which they are not a resident.  Currently these sales are only permitted for dealers from the same state in which the gun show is being held.  
        o Protecting sellers from lawsuits if the buyer is cleared through the expanded background checks system and the weapon is subsequently used in a crime.  This is the same treatment gun dealers receive now.
        o Authorizing the use of a state concealed carry permit that has been issued within the last five years in lieu of a background check when purchasing a firearm from a dealer because background checks are required to receive conceal carry permits.
      •  And therein lies the problem. (1+ / 0-)
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        As soon as whatever bill is passed finally emerges from the house/senate conference committee and sent to the president, the subject won't be addressed for another 20 years, and only then if another heinous crime is committed that results in dozens of lives lost or a presidential assassination - maybe.

        "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

        by SueDe on Thu Apr 11, 2013 at 05:54:07 AM PDT

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        •  so your alternative is to allow nothing to (1+ / 0-)
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          happen wait 20 years and hope for better?

          Seriously?

          In the time that I have been given,
          I am what I am

          by duhban on Thu Apr 11, 2013 at 06:03:29 AM PDT

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          •  What the hell? I didn't say that. (0+ / 0-)

            Do you have any constructive suggestions for keeping the pressure up for improving gun safety regulations after congress passes and the president signs whatever meager bill finally comes out of D.C.?

            "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

            by SueDe on Thu Apr 11, 2013 at 12:07:10 PM PDT

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            •  that is exactly what you suggest (0+ / 0-)

              either we pass a weaker bill then we want or we pass nothing under the current situation that's just how it is

              Honestly read up on SS it started out watered down, so did medicare so did the EPA

              In the time that I have been given,
              I am what I am

              by duhban on Thu Apr 11, 2013 at 03:07:33 PM PDT

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