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  •  Why? To get more revenue. (2+ / 0-)
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    Jack Hare, draghnfly

    Everything people on this site want depends on getting more revenue, like closing tax loopholes on corporations. Personally, I'd like to see action on climate change and maybe student loan forgiveness. Not gonna happen without a compromise that involves more tax revenue.

    •  And this proposal furthers this how? (2+ / 0-)
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      Bozmo2, JesseCW

      The Republicans have made it abundantly clear that nothing is acceptable in exchange for new revenue. They are not budging. They are simply not going to be reasonable.

      So given that they won't budge, what's the point of offering any compromises whatsoever? They'll just attack you for having made the offer and continue not budging.

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      by Code Monkey on Thu Apr 11, 2013 at 11:08:36 AM PDT

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      •  There's no other choice (1+ / 0-)
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        Jack Hare

        but to try. And, if they still refuse to negotiate, it becomes more clear to everyone who the problem is. All spending bills originate in Congress. Obama doesn't have the luxury of stomping his feet and pretending they don't exist like so many bloggers do.

        •  There's always a choice. (3+ / 0-)
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          bryduck, maryabein, HCKAD

          And if “trying” only makes matters worse, then here's the choice: Don't try.

          You're right: Only the House can originate spending bills. So why is the onus on Obama to propose anything? It's not his job. The only reason for him to put a budget forward is to promote the ideas in it. If Congress will only pass a budget with bad ideas, let them be the ones to put them forward.

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          by Code Monkey on Thu Apr 11, 2013 at 11:22:53 AM PDT

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          •  So you want nothing. (0+ / 0-)

            What you're suggesting makes sense as the next political step. Then what? We go without a budget? We get no new revenue? No new action to stimulate the economy, deal with climate change, or boost other social programs? That's not appealing to me. Obama has to govern and it looks like he's going for the only long-shot option he has.

    •  You're confusing means and ends. (1+ / 0-)
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      Code Monkey

      Closing tax loopholes on corporations is a means.

      Social Security is an end.

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      by JesseCW on Thu Apr 11, 2013 at 11:14:50 AM PDT

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      •  Ending poverty is an ends. (0+ / 0-)

        Social Security is a means to that end. Arguably, Obama's compromise would be a better means to end poverty since it increases benefits for the poorest who depend on it most. But I know that kind of reality talk is frowned upon right now.
        But yes, closing tax loopholes are the means to accomplish many positive things I'd like to see happen.

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