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  •  I haven't heard the GOP pushing for (0+ / 0-)

    chained CPI nearly as much as I've heard Obama calling it acceptable.

    Sure, they've proposed worse, and they do so all the time; but they can truthfully say that chained CPI was proposed by Obama in this round of negotiations, not by the GOP. It's disingenuous as hell for them to act so horrified by the idea, of course, but it's still true that it's Obama's proposal, not theirs.

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    by Code Monkey on Thu Apr 11, 2013 at 11:12:07 AM PDT

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    •  You haven't heard about it (0+ / 0-)

      from Republicans as much because too much of the left act as though Obama is the only branch of government. It's pretty counterproductive since Congress has been the main roadblock for the past five years.
      Republicans have publicly asked for this loudly, many times.

      •  When were they on the Sunday shows (0+ / 0-)

        talking about chained CPI and how it was such a great idea? When was that?

        And I mean specifically talking about chained CPI. Not about vague bullshit about cutting entitlements or balancing the budget, I mean this actual proposal.

        Also, was it all governors and backbenchers talking it up, or were there actually people like McConnell with real stakes in these negotiations who were demanding the chained CPI?

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        by Code Monkey on Thu Apr 11, 2013 at 11:19:18 AM PDT

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        •  You never heard of the Ryan budget? (0+ / 0-)

          They campaigned on it. And yes, Republican proposals were worse. That's what makes this a compromise. I don't believe Republicans included increases for the lowest income retirees like Obama does.
          You also know Republicans always talk in vague generalities. Adding the qualifiers about it being on the Sunday talk shows and such is a nice escape hatch, but it sounds like you're familiar enough with Republican demands for "entitlement reform" as they call it. So we can agree this isn't something Obama just came up with because he hates retirees, or whatever the implication is supposed to be.

          •  The Ryan budget didn't include a chained CPI. (1+ / 0-)
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            And, yes, it's stupid to offer a version--any version--of what your opponent is seeking and you know your base will find unacceptable.  Let them make the first move, and then react to it.  Keeps your hands clean and your bargaining power at a maximum.

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            by rfall on Thu Apr 11, 2013 at 01:03:34 PM PDT

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