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  •  Aww jesus... please don't tell me that the (0+ / 0-)

    Cat 6 shit storm we are experiencing over Obama's proposed shift to chained CPI is being fueled by government mandarins unhappy with their pay freeze?

    •  Oh, please, do the math. (1+ / 0-)
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      Bailey2001

      There are roughly 40 times as many people collecting SS and veterans' benefits as there are Federal employees and retirees.

      And you really think Feds are the reason for the upset about chained CPI, as opposed to seniors worrying weather Alpo or Purina goes better with beans?

      •  But how many here, where chained CPI (0+ / 0-)

        has raised more furry than anything I've ever seen to date... are actually more concerned about their own compensation and less about the altruistic concern for the poor and disadvantaged?

        •  Unlikely disproportionate # of Kossacks are Feds (0+ / 0-)

          As far as I know there is no specific data on how many Kossacks are Federal Government employees. However, the known demographics of Feds are that they are older (age distribution peaks between 45 and 59) and much more likely than the general population to be former military .  This seems a very poor match to the demographics I would assume of the majority of Kossacks, and renders your notion quite implausible.

          Two simpler possibilities for all the outrage:

          - Kossacks think cutting SS is a good way to lose the 2014 mid-terms

          - maybe, just maybe, they really don't want Grandma to have to choose between food and paying for her heart meds?

          •  Do the DOZENS of other things that Obama has done (0+ / 0-)

            to help Grandma afford her heart meds count?

            I mean seriously, Obama took all sorts of shit from the right to get HCA through.  HCA took Bush's UNFUNDED Medicare D, and funded it.  And I wonder why I'm continuously running into people who can't or won't recall the simplest facts like that that happened a few years ago.

            As far as what to do to win the elections... aside from the fact that doing what is right and running the goddamn government first and formost is what he was elected to do, I"m pretty certain that Obama, the White House and the Dem leadership are doing their best.  They may even know more than you or I or Laura Clawson who wrote this dairy knows.

            As to demographics here, I sure hope so, because if Christian Theology is anywhere close to correct, there is a special place in hell waiting for the relatively well treated Fed civil servants who put their own interests ahead of the vast sea of people who don't enjoy anything close to the job benefits that they do.

        •  So you are ok with it? (0+ / 0-)
          •  No, but I am OK with Barack Obama... (0+ / 0-)

            and the balance of what he has accomplished so far vs the envelope of what he possibly could accomplish.  That includes my support for his overall budget proposal.

            I trust him far more than I trust anyone else in politics, including an ever increasing number of people flying the colors of "Progressive", many of whom have a lot to say here about what a horrible tyrant Obama has become.

    •  Government Mandarins, unhappy with the freeze? (2+ / 0-)
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      Ramoth, mike101

      Aww Jesus yourself.  I will not say what I really want to say.  Mandarin? Mandarin?

      Money ain't free speech and it won't buy you love.

      by waztec on Sun Apr 14, 2013 at 08:06:55 AM PDT

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      •  What is it that seems to have upset you (0+ / 0-)

        about that old term used to describe government civil servants?

        •  Its use identifies you as a troll (1+ / 0-)
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          waztec

          Given that the dictionary definition is "A high government official", and the vanishingly small chance of any Kossack being in any "high government position", it makes it clear that you are a RWNJ troll we should properly ignore.

          Should have noticed that earlier.

          •  "high government official" ? (0+ / 0-)

            Where did you find THAT definition?  Got a reference?  I can show you that most dictionaries give, as definition 1, something different.  (See below.)

            It wasn't the perfect term in one sense, as the formal definition of "mandarin" does imply someone of middle (not high) rank, but in the vernacular of my readings and experience, it is almost exclusively a term used to describe the overall civil servant class that keeps the government and it's operations running. (As was the case in China.)

            mandarin
            1 a : a public official in the Chinese Empire of any of nine superior grades
               b : (1): a pedantic official (2) : bureaucrat

            From:
            http://www.merriam-webster.com/...

            (Nine grades? Sound like the Civil Service to you?)

            It is NOT a pejorative term. It was the Chinese civil service that made China a great empire at various points it her history, and it's stability that often prevented chaos.  But it DOES come with the negative baggage, which is what i WAS implying... the Mandarins were well compensated, even when the peasants suffered horribly.

            It wasn't a perfect analogy as to rank, there are Fed civil servants in blue collar jobs, but by and large it's a heavily white collar group.

            And why on earth would suggesting that a Kossack, or a whole slew of us, might be a "high government official" make me a troll anyway?  It might make me wrong, had that been what I had done (and I did not) but it hardly seems trollish.
             

        •  You do not upset me. . . (1+ / 0-)
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          rodentrancher

          . . .Because you do not know what you are talking about.

          Money ain't free speech and it won't buy you love.

          by waztec on Sun Apr 14, 2013 at 01:51:58 PM PDT

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    •  I have one more comment about why I . . . (0+ / 0-)

      . . .care about this.  It is for my sister who is on SSA disability.  She has been sick since she was a little kid and it is the kind of illness you can't see and I didn't know about.  She has been homeless, in jail, in a nursing home and finally got some help in her twenties.  The drugs help her and she is a good soul who depends on the absolute pittance of SSA.  And calling it a pittance is a wild exaggeration.  I can send her a dollar or two know, but I never could through most of my career.  I sent her some money to have dinner on me recently.  You know what she did? She went to McDonalds a couple of times with her friends so that they could enjoy a meal out too.  GD it, people like her deserve to be protected and helped.

      Money ain't free speech and it won't buy you love.

      by waztec on Sun Apr 14, 2013 at 04:19:05 PM PDT

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