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  •  But, that quote just said the opposite. (1+ / 0-)
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    Means-tested benefit programs are not included in the switch to the chained CPI. Programs that would not be included are:

        The Supplemental Security Income (SSI) program, meaning that the lowest-income seniors and people with disabilities generally would not be affected.

    So, we're mostly talking about cuts for the middle class who also have other retirement income. That's lousy, but it means the cat-food talk is a little misleading. Not everyone thinks taxing the working poor to benefit the comfortable retired upper-middle class is really all that progressive either.
    •  Please show me where it says that Supplemental (3+ / 0-)

      Security Disability Income would not be affected.  All it says is that the Supplemental Security Income program would not be affected, it says nothing about the Supplemental Security Disability Income program which is completely separate.

      You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

      by Throw The Bums Out on Thu Apr 11, 2013 at 03:21:24 PM PDT

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    •  SSDI is not means tested. (2+ / 0-)
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      So the c-cpi will apply. Also, your talking points regarding seniors on SS are incorrect. Here are some facts:

      Nearly 70 percent of the elderly rely on Social Security benefits for more than half of their income and nearly 40 percent rely on Social Security for more than 90 percent of their income. These benefits average less than $15,000 a year.
      Without SS, the poverty rate of US seniors would be 45%; instead it is 10%
      You are falling for the old divide and conquer nonsense. Why is that?

      "George RR Martin is not your bitch" ~~ Neil Gaiman

      by tardis10 on Thu Apr 11, 2013 at 03:35:33 PM PDT

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      •  One of the reporters at the Administration Budget (1+ / 0-)
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        Press Conference actually presented even more stark 'poverty' rate figures (which is not to argue that his are more accurate.  I should note that neither Gene Sperling nor the acting Chief of OMB Jeff Zients argued his statistics.  It is only intended to bolster your points.)

        Anyway, the reporter claimed that BEFORE the social safety net programs were implemented, 65% of seniors lived in poverty, as opposed to 7% of seniors today.

        Actually, the 7% sounded a bit low to me (post 2008 'Crash'), from all that I've read.

        Mollie

        "Only he who can see the invisible, can do the impossible."-- Frank L. Gaines


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        by musiccitymollie on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 07:04:47 AM PDT

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    •  Middle class cuts (0+ / 0-)

      What is his base?  Is it the poor or the middle class?  I thought it was the middle class.  And there he goes throwing us under the bus again.  Without provocation.  Without getting anything for it.  As the initial offer.

      Those Kossacks who said Obama has learned his lesson in the first term were naive beyond understanding.

      Who are Progressives going to back for 2016?  We had better start looking for someone now.

      Even Democrats can be asses. Look at Rahm Emanuel.

      by Helpless on Thu Apr 11, 2013 at 04:30:47 PM PDT

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      •  Helpless, your concern that 'the poor' are given (1+ / 0-)
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        Grand Bargain Watch - Save Social Security
        Photo Credit: Grand Bargain Watch--Save Social Security, DonkeyHotey's photostream, flickr, http://www.flickr.com/...

        preferential treatment is pretty much unfounded.

        This Administration has cut both LIHEAP (supplemental funds for heating/cooling for the poor) AND FOOD STAMPS.
        [The cut to Food Stamps was made in order to save 'middle-class jobs' for teachers, etc.]

        Here are the two links:

        From DKos, Wed Apr 10, 2013, OBAMA BUDGET: 30% cut to LIHEAP funding, by nonprofit jim

        and

        Obama Signs State Aid Bill After Dems Cut $12B in Food Stamp Funding

        Here's an excerpt from "Democracy Now."

        To advance the bill, Democratic leaders agreed to cut $12 billion in spending on food stamps.

        The Food Research and Action Center says the cuts will impact some 40 million people when they take effect in 2014.

        A family of four that receives food stamps stands to lose $59 in monthly benefits.

        Democratic Congress member Rosa DeLauro of Connecticut voted for the measure, but said, "I cannot in good conscience condone what we have taken away...The bill shamefully pits these priorities against each other."

        Plus, the Administation has also proposed a hike in the 'tobacco tax,' which is highly regressive (as are sales taxes, in general), and which hits far more low income folks than do many other taxes.

        Mollie

        "Only he who can see the invisible, can do the impossible."-- Frank L. Gaines


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        by musiccitymollie on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 07:35:34 AM PDT

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    •  But it's the working poor who will suffer (1+ / 0-)
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      They'll throw a bone at the destitute but the folks who will be hurt the worst are the working poor.  The people who worked very hard for decades which will give them a higher benefit than the minimum and who have a small house and a few thousand in the bank.   That's precisely who these cuts will impact.  And even the folks slightly above that are going to be pinched and totally resent being the piggy bank for the poor.

      This is how Reagan Democrats came to be.  In those days it was the liberal elites who sent their own kids to private schools but decided the working class could have their kids bused from merely adequate schools to lousy schools.  This is how you create Republicans.  You turn the middle class against the poor.

    •  SSDI is Social Security Disability Insurance. (1+ / 0-)
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      SSI stands for 'Supplemental Security Income.'

      Supplemental Security Income (SSI) is a Federal income supplement program funded by general tax revenues (not Social Security taxes).

      It is designed to help aged, blind, and disabled people, who have little or no income; and,

      It provides cash to meet basic needs for food, clothing, and shelter.

      Here's the link.

      Mollie

      "Only he who can see the invisible, can do the impossible."-- Frank L. Gaines


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      by musiccitymollie on Thu Apr 11, 2013 at 09:00:52 PM PDT

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