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    Actually, things may be improving more than that.  The 70% figure applies to women of all ages, including older women who were typically less educated, more subject to discrimination, and more likely to have taken years off for family.  The gap is much larger for older women than younger women.

    From the stats I've seen, salaries for male and female college grads of the last 5 or 10 years are pretty comparable, and even at the graduate level, female law and MBA starting salaries are about equal to male starting salaries.  

    •  If Women truly earned 70 cents on the (none)
      dollar, AND business is all about the bottom line/profit, why in the world would you hire Men, whom you're paying 30% more?  Doesn't make sense, does it?

      ...In the Anals of History, I'm No. 3 on DD's Enemies List...pfffffft!...

      by PhillyGal on Wed Jun 08, 2005 at 03:38:37 PM PDT

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      •  Like hires like (none)
        is a factor seen in some studies, and more men still are in the middle management ranks doing the hiring.  But it's changing, incrementally.

        Still more significant is, as discussed briefly above between the discussions not about this topic,:-) the difference in trades, professions, etc., in which they work.

        "Let all the dreamers wake the nation." -- Carly Simon

        by Cream City on Wed Jun 08, 2005 at 04:10:25 PM PDT

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      •  With all the available evidence (none)
        on the business world, do you really think that people make logical and rational business decisions?

        Why, those men have to support their families.

        <rolling eyes> (and the women... do not, despite the huge number with families where the father isn't there--AWOL from the start, or dead--or where the husband's incpacitated.)

        And yet... that always stupid, antiquated idea has been something I heard referenced seriously in the last year.  I think the bruises on my forehead have healed by now; the dent's still in the wall.

        "Too many policemen, no liberty; Too many soldiers, no peace; Too many lawyers, no justice." Lin Yutang (1895-1976)

        by ogre on Wed Jun 08, 2005 at 05:16:02 PM PDT

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      •  and, ya know, those damn women... (none)
        ...are always wanting to have babies and take maternity leave and just aren't that dedicated to working 60+ hours a week and the school's always calling mom instead of dad when junior has to be picked up early from school because he's got a cold.

        (snark, for those of us who can't identify it right off.)

        There are many who lust for the simple answers of doctrine or decree. They are on the left and right. They are terrorists of the mind. -- A. Bartlett Giamatti

        by FemiNazi on Wed Jun 08, 2005 at 07:16:53 PM PDT

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    •  Oodles of research, shiny happy numbers here (4.00)
      Why Are Women Paid Less than Men?

      "Equal pay has been the law since 1963. But today, more than 40 years later, women are still paid less than men--even when we have similar education, skills and experience.

      In 2004, women were paid 76 cents for every dollar men received. That's $24 less to spend on groceries, housing, child care and other expenses for every $100 worth of work we do. Nationwide, working families lose $200 billion of income annually to the wage gap.

      It's not like we get charged less for rent or food or utilities. In fact, we pay more for things like haircuts and dry cleaning.

      Over a lifetime of work, the 24 cents-on-the-dollar we're losing adds up. The average 25-year-old working woman will lose about $455,000 to unequal pay during her working life.

      And because we're paid less now, we have less to save for our futures and we'll earn smaller pensions than men. Half of all women with income from a pension in 2002 received less than $5,600 per year, compared with $10,340 per year for men.

      These figures are even worse for women of color. African American women earn only 71 cents and Latinas 59 cents for every dollar that men earn. Asian Pacific American women earn less, too. Their pay inequality is less severe than for women as a whole, but they still earned only 86 cents for every dollar that men earned in 2000, the most recent year for which data is available.

      Equal pay isn't just a women's issue. When women get equal pay, their family incomes rise and the whole family benefits. Equal pay helps men, too."

      Other fact sheets from your friendly AFL-CIO unions, including the top level link to their section dedicated to women:

      Equal pay for working families: national and state data

      Equal pay and women of color

      Around the world, women earn less

      How equal pay helps men, too

      The pay gap in different occupations

      The pay gap in the states

      Equal pay and retirement

      The case for equal pay: responding to common arguments against equal pay

      Find out about your legal rights and how to file a pay discrimination charge

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