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  •  Why shouldn't we give preference to our own people (6+ / 0-)

    ?

    Don't you think other peoples' countries give preference to them?

    If our own government won't stick up for our right to have a job, who will?

    •  Why should we? (0+ / 0-)

      A person's a person.  I see no significant difference between an American and a Kuwaiti, a Ugandan, or a Spaniard, an Asian, or a Brazilian.

      •  Yes, you are right .... (5+ / 0-)

        Why should I expect to be able to compete for a job in a country I was born in, served in it's military (with an honorable discharge), paid taxes in it since I was 18.

        Yes you are right, my government should toss me under the bus and make it easier for an employer to bring in a worker from somewhere else, paying them lower than industry standard, use threat of deportation to treat them cruelly.

        Your point makes SO much more sense

        In case you couldn't tell

        I AM BEING SARCASTIC!

        Never underestimate stupid. Stupid is how reTHUGlicans win!

        by Mannie on Thu Apr 11, 2013 at 07:08:32 PM PDT

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        •  Where did I say that? (0+ / 0-)

          I quite clearly said that H1B holders should be paid no less than natives doing the same job.  How can this be accomplished?  Make it easy for them to change jobs, so companies have to compete for them.  Free market and all that stuff Republicans pretend to love so much, despite really hating it.

          Also, your mention of military service...  You aren't claiming you should be protected from competition because of your job, but because you're a veteran, which is rather different - I absolutely believe the nation should do better for its veterans, both when it comes to career assistance and healthcare (And when it comes to jobs in the public sector as well).  Not because you're Americans, but because you are veterans.

          I don't see how the paying taxes argument comes into play - H1B visa holders pay them as well (Though they don't pay social security, come to think of it).

      •  You've given some lovely anecdotes about people (0+ / 0-)

        you know (above).
        Anecdotes do not equal data.
        You know that.

        3/16/2003 Meet The Press: Dick Cheney re: Iraq: We will be greeted as liberators.

        by cosette on Thu Apr 11, 2013 at 10:30:57 PM PDT

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        •  Indeed they are not. (0+ / 0-)

          As I've said, I certainly believe in taking steps to prevent abuse of the program, and abuse of H1B visa holders (I suggested one option, there are doubtless others).  The fact is the program can work, and I think it's possible to fix the problems without killing the program.

    •  He doesn't care about us (2+ / 0-)
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      A political ideal means more to him than Americans out of work due to the corrupt greed of big business

      Never underestimate stupid. Stupid is how reTHUGlicans win!

      by Mannie on Thu Apr 11, 2013 at 07:29:44 PM PDT

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      •  Not quite sure where you go that.... (0+ / 0-)

        I clearly said that paying H1B visa holders less is an abuse of the system.

        You could perhaps say "he doesn't care about us more than some random non-American living in some random non-American country, because he believes in universal equality more than he believes in protecting the jobs of card-holding American citizens".

        •  Paying H-1B visa holders *less* is the *point* (5+ / 0-)

          of the system.

           No qualified US worker with a Master's degree, or with 10+ years of experience as a machinist, will take a $9.25-hourly job as a contractor -- e.g. pay both halves of your own FICA and there's no retirement or insurance, no overtime or sick leave, and no vacation. But we have several "employers" here in Lubbock who bitch and moan that they can't find Americans who want "good jobs."

          Jobs demanding a Master's degree or 10+ years of experience. To get $9.25 an hour. As contract labor.

          LBJ, Lady Bird, Van Cliburn, Ike, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

          by BlackSheep1 on Thu Apr 11, 2013 at 09:49:31 PM PDT

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          •  OT: Have you heard about BattleGroundTexas? n/t (1+ / 0-)
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            3/16/2003 Meet The Press: Dick Cheney re: Iraq: We will be greeted as liberators.

            by cosette on Thu Apr 11, 2013 at 10:33:07 PM PDT

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          •  The point of the system...As argued by Congress (3+ / 0-)
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            is to attract skilled workers to the US.  The way it's designed has (Probably deliberately) opens it up to this kind of abuse.  I absolutely believe that using the system to take advantage of an H1B Visa holder is an abuse of the system, and the system should be fixed to prevent this.

            I also believe that calling someone a "contractor" just so you can pay them $9.25 an hour is also an abuse of the system.  Jobs demanding either a Master's degree or 10+ years of experience, and especially one requiring both, certainly should pay a lot more than "$9.25" an hour (I use quotes because it's less than that, when you include the contractor issue).

            •  attracting skilled workers (2+ / 0-)
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              Mannie, Flying Goat

              is not the same thing as a race to the bottom. It's a fine example of how the Law of Unintended Consequences leaves loopholes open to the unscrupulous.

              LBJ, Lady Bird, Van Cliburn, Ike, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

              by BlackSheep1 on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 10:28:04 AM PDT

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