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  •  As always, this is foolish panic-mongering. (2+ / 0-)
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    Paul1a, Aspe4

    Presume North Korea has the capacity to reliably launch a handful of actual nuclear warheads using long range missiles. Ignoring the fact that their first nuclear test fizzled, and that their program overall is quite primitive.

    Do you seriously think North Korea's leadership will invite instant and total annihilation of their entire country by launching a missile at the U.S.? Really? They have certainly proven themselves to be vile, vicious, selfish troglodytes happy to condemn thousands of their own citizens to death by starvation to preserve their rule. But they are not suicidal.

    Remember, people. For decades we faced a Soviet Union armed with literally 10,000 thermonuclear warheads, half of them deployed and ready to launch. They didn't do so because they knew any attack would result in their own annihilation by a retaliatory strike. The relevant term is 'deterrence'. Worked for decades. Still works. Even with vile, autocratic foreign leaders.

    •  the problem is the craziness of NK (3+ / 0-)
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      Frank Whitaker, randomfacts, Aspe4

      The Soviets had a horrible government, but they didn't talk crazy like NK.

      We probably have to just hope it's all posturing to avoid a military coup. We can't actually do anything, because of Seoul.

      •  Kruschev: "We will bury you". (1+ / 0-)
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        Aspe4

        I beg to differ. Soviets did indeed indulge in some pretty crazy rhetoric. They also tempted fate with adventures like trying to sneak nuclear-armed missiles into Cuba. But at the end of the day they knew that an actual nuclear strike would mean their own extermination.

        The same holds true for North Korea's crazy leaders. I mean, Kim Jong Il had a South Korean movie director whose work he liked kidnapped and held captive for years to make movies just for him! Now that's some serious crazy right there. Yet it's always been quite apparent that North Korea's leaders, crazy as they are, have a very powerful desire to preserve their own lives and their privileged position at the head of their bizarro-world state.

        •  "We will bury you" in Russian culture (4+ / 0-)
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          koNko, Paul1a, Ralphdog, Aspe4

          means "We will outlive you, and be present at your funeral." The Soviets never thought that they could manage a first strike where they could survive the counterattack.

          North Korea has been blustering in this fashion since the Soviets installed Kim Il Sung after the Japanese surrender in WW II. They tried a ground invasion, and they haven't tried anything more than provocations and one assassination attempt since. (I was in South Korea as a Peace Corps volunteer during the assassination attempt. One of the North Koreans fragged a bus, killing a friend of a friend of mine, among others.)

          An actual attempt by North Korea to attack either South Korea in force or the US with missiles would be a disaster, resulting in massive death in both Koreas at the beginning, and the nearly immediate annihilation of the North Korean government and military. There would be some US deaths at military bases in Korea right at the beginning, until the artillery barrages against Seoul and a few other places could be ended, but very few in combat.

          The next step would be an emergency military government in the North, probably under UN auspices, but without much interference from China or Russia, and reunification with the South. That would be an expensive and difficult transition for Koreans, worse than German reunification in many ways because of the backwardness of the NK economy and the decades of starvation and helplessness of the population, but that's all. The South would open the rail lines for trade with China and Russia, and so on, and we would all get on with things. After a generation or so peace in the region would just be normal and ordinary.

          Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

          by Mokurai on Thu Apr 11, 2013 at 09:46:01 PM PDT

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          •  Khrushchev's "We will bury you" statement (1+ / 0-)
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            was made in the context of the historic competition between capitalist and socialist economy. It was not a war threat.

            Khrushchev claimed and may actually have believed for awhile that the Soviet economy would surpass America's by 1970.

            Except during the Korean War Soviet leaders never engaged in the kind of wild militarist rhetoric we've been hearing from North Korea.  

      •  The crazy talk is all part of the game (1+ / 0-)
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        Aspe4

        NK knows what they're doing.  They've been doing it for 60 years with success.  It's all posturing.  They have a new leader, and he's out kicking the geopolitical tires to see what he can get in the way of concessions.  

        On the US side, you don't have to worry because they have no oil or anything else to take.  

        They're not crazy, btw.  Evil, yes, but not nuts.  Kim himself was educated in Switzerland, as were many of the top dogs in NK.  They know and understand the West better than you think.  Our media doesn't like to point this out because "unhinged dictatorship with nukes" plays better than "fat kid is giving us the raspberry".  

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