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  •  Ooh-ooh, pick me! I know this one! (6+ / 0-)

    Is it...

    President Hitler?

    I would suggest everyone, if they didn't watch it last night, watch Lawrence O'Donnell's show. Even Howard Fineman gets what the president's doing regarding the budget, and then Lawrence puts Obama's SS proposals in proper historic context (reminding folks that Dems have at least a couple times changed SS).

    O'Donnell knows his stuff, which is more than I can say for some of the folks here.

    How about I believe in the unlucky ones?

    by BenderRodriguez on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 05:08:49 AM PDT

    •  I just watched O'Donnell's piece on the subject (5+ / 0-)

      and it puts a stake right through the heart of much of the derangement over this.  

      Once you acknowledge that Jimmy Carter of all Presidents did essentially the same thing - and actually went through with it, not just put it in a proposal attached to progressive tax increases that won't pass - all that's left is the circular Derangement-based argument that because it's an immutable truth of the universe that Barack Obama is evil, then we must assume that this, unlike Carter's changes, is based on some nefarious scheme to hurt the poor rather than an honest policy based on rational facts of the program.

      I'm still against it on both moral and self-interest grounds, but I'm not losing my shit over it.  I wouldn't even if it passed, because unlike a lot of people for whom this is pure theory, this is real to me - it directly affects my life.  I can't afford to be crazy on the subject.

      Going faster miles an hour, with the radio on.

      by Troubadour on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 05:27:08 AM PDT

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      •  How could you lose your shit over it? (4+ / 0-)

        You've lost it all already over criticism of Obama.

        It is so funny how you go more hyperbolic over Obama's critics than they go over Obama.  Looks a mite defensive.

        The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

        by accumbens on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 05:41:11 AM PDT

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        •  Except that's complete bullshit. (0+ / 0-)

          To "go more hyperbolic" than the batmobile crowd, I'd have to accuse them of being paid trolls at an ALEC datacenter.

          Going faster miles an hour, with the radio on.

          by Troubadour on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 05:45:30 AM PDT

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          •  Fight hyperbole with hyperbole. Good idea. (1+ / 0-)
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            The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

            by accumbens on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 05:49:18 AM PDT

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            •  You just made a false accusation (1+ / 0-)
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              that I was being more hyperbolic than loons who are calling Obama Barry Goldwater and a neo-liberal corporatist corrupt stooge who hates working people and sneers down his nose at the people.  It's like listening to teabaggers.

              Going faster miles an hour, with the radio on.

              by Troubadour on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 05:51:32 AM PDT

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              •  Please show me where people have called (1+ / 0-)
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                Obama Barry Goldwater and a neo-liberal corporatist corrupt stooge who hates working people and sneers down his nose at the people.
                Thanks in advance.

                The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

                by accumbens on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 05:54:33 AM PDT

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                •  Here you go: (2+ / 0-)
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                  The major difference between (18+ / 1-)

                  Barry Goldwater and Barack Goldmansachs is that the former never pretended to be a Democrat.

                  by WisePiper on Thu Apr 11, 2013 at 08:06:50 PM PDT

                  Did we elect Barry Goldwater last year?
                  Rich guys with their noses three feet up Wall Street's ass giving up 5% of their salary is just a stunt anyway. It's reminiscent of Romney saying to poor out of work people that he was unemployed too. Poverty is just a joke to these assholes. I'm sure the rich guys in the White House all got a good chuckle out of it. Probably thought it up on April Fool's Day.

                  [...]

                  Sad to say, but neoliberals like Clinton and Obama now define the Democratic Party. They no longer represent the rank and file or 'the base,' but they represent pretty damned well what the party leadership has become - just another bunch of corrupt and greedy lackeys carrying water for the 1%.

                  http://www.dailykos.com/...

                  Going faster miles an hour, with the radio on.

                  by Troubadour on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 06:04:34 AM PDT

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                  •  Yep, that's a lot of people being really extreme (1+ / 0-)
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                    in their criticism of Obama.  I can see why you're so upset.  Have a cuppa tea or something.

                    The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

                    by accumbens on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 06:06:35 AM PDT

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                    •  If you call that psychotic drivel "criticism" (3+ / 1-)
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                      there's not much left of your hold on reality.  

                      Going faster miles an hour, with the radio on.

                      by Troubadour on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 06:10:13 AM PDT

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                      •  My point is that the number of people being that (1+ / 0-)
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                        extreme is small - indeed, probably as small as those who actually take them seriously enough to defend Obama from their attacks.

                        The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

                        by accumbens on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 06:19:31 AM PDT

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                        •  All of that shit is from the Rec List. (2+ / 0-)
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                          Going faster miles an hour, with the radio on.

                          by Troubadour on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 06:21:14 AM PDT

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                          •  Your epic whining is on the rec list, too (4+ / 0-)

                            Which is why it's idiotic to judge content by whether or not it's on the rec list.

                          •  I noted that it's on the Rec List because (1+ / 0-)
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                            the person I was responding to (who isn't you) claimed it was just some obscure comments by a few people.  I corrected them because they're (duh) wrong.  And now you've chimed in with this irrelevant slam.

                            Going faster miles an hour, with the radio on.

                            by Troubadour on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 06:31:24 AM PDT

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                          •  Since you've been proven completely wrong (2+ / 0-)
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                            that the issue of cuts to SS would come up...a person would think you'd pipe down about others being "wrong." "Irrelevant?" I guess the non-"irrelevant" thing for you to do is go in full-attack mode to cover the fact of how wrong you were about the subject over all a few weeks ago.

                            The beauty of your clueslessness 3 weeks ago is matched with your outrage now at having been proved so wrong.

                            America's greatest political dynasty...the Ka'an

                            by catilinus on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 06:40:15 AM PDT

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                          •  What *are* you talking about? (1+ / 0-)
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                            Going faster miles an hour, with the radio on.

                            by Troubadour on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 06:50:48 AM PDT

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                          •  You don't recall accusing folks of being (3+ / 0-)
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                            mentally ill a few weeks ago for thinking SS cuts would be in the budget?

                            Surely you must recall that & now feel ashamed for having been so wrong.

                            America's greatest political dynasty...the Ka'an

                            by catilinus on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 06:58:49 AM PDT

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                          •  No, I don't recall it. (1+ / 0-)
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                            Please refresh my memory.

                            Going faster miles an hour, with the radio on.

                            by Troubadour on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 07:08:31 AM PDT

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                          •  I sympathize. When you label opponents "paranoid" (3+ / 0-)
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                            & "delusional" on a regular basis it must be hard to recall each & ever time even over a period of a couple of weeks.

                            "...paranoid delusion of Obama with the cleaver in hand sizing up Social Security.."

                            America's greatest political dynasty...the Ka'an

                            by catilinus on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 07:18:06 AM PDT

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                          •  The comment is a criticism of claims (1+ / 0-)
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                            that cutting Social Security is an objective of the administration rather than an ill-conceived bargaining chip.  I never claimed it wouldn't come up.  The fact is that if the administration wanted it, they could have it passed immediately by not tying it to tax increases on the rich.  Obviously they don't.

                            Going faster miles an hour, with the radio on.

                            by Troubadour on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 07:23:32 AM PDT

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                          •  Sure. While the cuts are proposed in the (2+ / 0-)
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                            President's budget he didn't really propose them, the Republicans did. I get that meme.

                            ...and while you claimed the idea of the president "sizing up" social security cuts was a "paranoid delusion", you were actually saying in coded language that a "Paranoid delusion" would come up after all, but that it just would be a bargaining chip & not an objective...except that this new addition of "bargaining chip" vs "objective" wasn't in the post because...I guess...conspiracy nuts removed it? or the batmobile? or something I guess.

                            In any case, you never said it was a "paranoid delusion" and it is a "paranoid delusion" to think you ever said it, because...I guess...only someone suffering from a "paranoid delusion" would think you meant a "paranoid delusion" when you said it.

                            Yeah...your explanation makes sense.

                            America's greatest political dynasty...the Ka'an

                            by catilinus on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 07:37:29 AM PDT

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                          •  Whatever (2+ / 0-)
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                            I'm a little disappointed in you.  Once upon a time you could be counted on to post sensible, informative, sometimes insightful thoughts.

                            This is nothing more than a bullshit, crybaby temper tantrum, and you know it.   That's why you're doubling-down on the snarky pissing-and-moaning.

                            That's certainly your right, but you seem to be offended that the rest of us aren't all rallying around your tear-soaked flag, and that's just sad, really.  

                            Carry on.   I'll be over here staying irrelevent, but with my pride intact.

                          •  Another word of advice (1+ / 0-)
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                            You're not half as amusing and clever as you've convinced yourself, or been led to believe.   No matter how hard you try to push this "derangement/batmobile" thing, it's just not that funny and reflects more poorly on you than on your intended target audience.

                            But again, it's your right to throw yourself boldly upon your own snarky little sword, so I'm not gonna stop you.

                            Oh, and if I want more "If X, then you'd probably Y" arguments (I'm not calling it "logic") I'll go visit RedState or some other cesspool of idiocy.

                  •  that wasn't hard (1+ / 0-)
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                    i might not really agree with your diary, although i don't get into the name-calling debate too much, but really, refuting that assertion by accumbens was just too easy.
                    I am disappointed that Obama offered up SS and Medicare as a bargaining chip to the R'turds, but i don't know enough about the rest of the proposal to have a very strong opinion on it.  I would think that a much better bargaining style would be to come out with the ideal finished product as your first offer and then let the negotiating begin.  I am, however, not a 2x elected President of the US, nor am i elected to any position, so perhaps my perspective on bargaining isn't all that interesting.
                    Selecting Warren to start up the CFPB was a brilliant move, but not even trying to get her nominated as its first director seemed pretty weak.  I'm glad she's in the Senate and on the banking committee, which probably wouldn't have happened w/o the Prez selecting her to run the CFPB to start with.
                    The idea that Obama is an evil corporatist is absurd, as is the assertion that he is fighting hard for the progressive agenda.  He's a centrist trying to navigate his way through the most partisan Washington, DC that has existed in a long time (maybe ever).

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