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  •  and i presume you care more about (1+ / 0-)
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    what Obama says than what he does, as well, for consistency.  I think a material number of people on this site praising FDR, were they alive then, would have been for Huey Long.

    The O'Donnell piece isn't really about FDR, anyway.  There's enough in FDR's legacy for each side that the issue is at least indeterminate whether anyone really has a prior right to enlist FDR in one side of an argument or another.  It would be one thing if this really were a debate about the soul of the democratic party, but the invocation of FDR was to show how it really isn't one.  The "plutocrats" really only come into play in the specific budget frame with respect to the tax increases and eliminations of deductions that Obama has just proposed to put on them (with the chained CPI a limited gesture to Republicans to get them to go along).  

    I at least see the Chained CPI issue as contentious enough that I wouldn't accuse anyone of endorsing those deductions by opposing a budget containing it.  Perhaps, O'Donnell was a bit uncharitable, but only because in a perfect world, I completely agree that social security benefits should be going up.  FDR had a much different world, one where the Southern racists were still economic populists and in his own party.  

    Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

    by Loge on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 01:10:13 PM PDT

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    •  Why would you presume that? (0+ / 0-)

      And how is it relevant to the comparison between a president who kisses Republican ass and a president who kicks it?

      Do you even remember the 2008 landslide?

      What we need is a Democrat in the White House.

      by expatjourno on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 01:13:24 PM PDT

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      •  The closest thing to a modern day (1+ / 0-)
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        republican in FDR's day was his first Vice President.  

        Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

        by Loge on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 01:51:53 PM PDT

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        •  WTF? (0+ / 0-)

          A modern day Republican would have been ahead of his time in FDR's day. Seriously, WTF?

          Garner had been Speaker of the House. FDR's next VP was probably the most progressive VP in history.

          What we need is a Democrat in the White House.

          by expatjourno on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 01:58:14 PM PDT

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          •  Cactus Jack hated two things (2+ / 0-)
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            the new deal, and black people.  He played good soldier in exchange for patronage.  In fairness, I don't think Roosevelt really wanted him, and Garner tried to challenge him in 1940.  Wallace and Truman were cool.  The laissez-faire wing (Coolidge, mainly) was around, but they differed from today's R's in that they were more isolationist and didn't believe in running deficits for the express purpose of cutting taxes.  Hoover was in many ways ahead of his time, just not on economic dogma.  

            This is pretty far removed from the diary, which isn't really about FDR anyway.  He's a maguffin for this purpose.

            Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

            by Loge on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 03:15:52 PM PDT

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