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  •  Get your exercise jumping to conclusions? (5+ / 0-)
    Did the NYS Police demand a list of prescriptions written at all pharmacies?  Did they then go through and just randomly start checking off all the prescriptions they didn't like and cross reference the names to registered gun owners?
    Isn't it far more likely the cops complied with the existing law and properly followed up a report from mental health professional who had a responsibility to report? under this state law?
    A: MHL 9.46 requires mental health professionals to report to their local director of community services ("DCS") or his/her designees when, in their reasonable professional judgment, one of their patients is "likely to engage in conduct that would result in serious harm to self or others."
    Shrinks aren't perfect and they aren't judges.  But they ARE professionals with a duty to help protect the public.  

    I think you're dreaming if you think everyone who asks for xanax the week before they cater a wedding for 500 is gonna get their guns confiscated.   I think we NEED laws to "arbitrarily take your rights away if you are mentally ill" where said rights lead to OTHER PEOPLE being in more danger from those who REALLY ARE A DANGER.

    You do grant that SOME mentally ill people are a genuine danger, I hope?  So what is YOUR proposed system for how we identify and track those people and reduce the chance they will do deadly harm?  Or do think we should just always wait and see?  We knew the Arora shooter was criminally dangerous AFTER he did it, of course, but what about his college shrink who had a pretty good idea before?  None of the public's damn business what that shrink thought, is that your position?  

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Mon Apr 15, 2013 at 11:26:24 AM PDT

    •  NOPE, that's not what happened. (3+ / 0-)
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      The man who was asked/directed to turn over his guns reportedly did not exhibit any signs of violent or dangerous behavior. According to his attorney, the man’s doctor did not report any danger to the authorities. So, who did report it?

      Yes, I know the link is to the Blaze, but contained therein is an radio interview link that I listened to, the attorney states exactly what is quoted above. It's also posted in the diary.

      His client was on anti-anxiety medications, his doctors did NOT report him to the State, because he isn't a danger to himself or others AND somehow the State Police got his name and had his gun permit yanked and his firearms seized.

      What we still don't know is who were they actually looking for? And what doctor reported this?  What "evidence" do they have that someone was a "danger to themselves or others"???  What criteria is being used here???

      We better find out!

      -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

      by gerrilea on Mon Apr 15, 2013 at 12:00:01 PM PDT

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      •  I notice you're not answering my questions. (1+ / 0-)
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        Is it in fact your position that an shrink who has direct reason to believe that a patient intends to shoot people, should refrain from reporting that because the client has not yet committed any crime?  If so, that's a pretty extreme position.  

        Maybe this particular case was a great big fuckup.  But what about IN GENERAL?  Is it a fuckup EVERY TIME the cops take a gun from someone on grounds of mental health?  

        "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

        by lgmcp on Mon Apr 15, 2013 at 12:11:06 PM PDT

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        •  Hon, I'm not arguing against something that we've (4+ / 0-)
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          done for decades here, really.

          This is a red herring and a distraction, IMO.

          This wasn't a "fuckup", it was done intentionally.  Why, we do not know yet.

          Maybe a test case to see if they can get away with it.  See what the courts will ultimately decide.

          I'll repeat one last time, if you are a danger to yourself or others you can have your rights temporarily suspended, with a judge's order.

          -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

          by gerrilea on Mon Apr 15, 2013 at 12:31:16 PM PDT

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          •  Maybe (4+ / 0-)
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            His lawyer claims that, while the police say they made a mistake and notified the wrong guy. It might have been intentional but we don't know that yet. This is getting a bit CT.

            •  Agreed (4+ / 0-)

              While I don't automatically believe everything the cops say, neither do I automatically believe everything a plaintiff's lawyer may choose to say.  

              "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

              by lgmcp on Mon Apr 15, 2013 at 12:47:38 PM PDT

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            •  Agreed to a point, the documents shown so (4+ / 0-)
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              far is that they specifically went after this librarian.

              What isn't known is who were they actually looking for and what was the criteria used?  The attorney did say they were getting ready to file suit.

              And I have to believe him up to a point.  The "librarian" lives in one of our wealthy suburbs and if this attorney is lying, he'll lose a lot more than just customers.

              -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

              by gerrilea on Mon Apr 15, 2013 at 12:54:35 PM PDT

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          •  It doesn't matter (1+ / 0-)
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            It will all come out in discovery.  Just remember, email is forever.  Unless you are Mitt Romney.  And failing to maintain records by a records retention policy looks bad to the courts.  

            I used to work for a company that wanted to keep just about everything that would be useful for litigation and discovery for 37 years.  Given that the state police are regularly subject to litigation holds, I can't imagine that there isn't a nice email archive that contains just about everything interesting going back at least to the statue of limitations.  If there are lawyers who are more familiar please let me know, I could be mistaken.  

            My instinct, lifting this particular rock will display an interesting insect menagerie.  

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