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  •  I heard about fourteen kids stabbed with a razor (1+ / 0-)
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    Bottom line, when a person is reported to the police as dangerous or identified by police and school staff as dangerous, or when a family is complaining to doctors, school staff and police that a person is danger, or a woman knows that her boyfriend/husband is going to kill her very soon, I want something done about it.  

    I want to tell my kids and grandkids, in good conscience, that if you feel that someone is dangerous, that you can go to police for help, and they will help you.  

    That's not the situation right now.   What happens right now, is that nothing is done, the dangerous person gets angry that the authorities were notified, and someone gets killed.  

    Right now, when police know someone might be dangerous, the response is, "there's nothing we can do until he hurts someone".   The fact that, technically, the attacker wasn't allowed to have the gun or knife that he stabbed or shot my kids with, is no comfort.   They're still dead or in critical care.   It is demonstrated in these cases, that the community can detect many of these mass attackers, doctors are recognizing the danger, police are recognizing the danger, families are recognizing the danger, and yet we are not stopping them.  

    This is a massive loophole in our emergency response services.    Mass shootings are slipping through this loophole.   It is time to close the loophole.   When the community is raising the alarm, when family, close friends, doctors and police are recognizing the danger....

    We need to respond.

    •  I share your outrage and am among those who (2+ / 0-)
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      are deeply dismayed to learn of NYC's recent policy to discourage domestic violence reporting.

      NYPD Ordered to Run Criminal Checks on VICTIMS Reporting Domestic Violence

      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 09:23:47 AM PDT

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    •  This one is a real toughy (3+ / 0-)
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      when a family is complaining to doctors, school staff and police that a person is danger
      That doesn't mean we don't tackle it, but it becomes a pretty big and complicated question in it's own right.

      How much evidence, of what kind, presented to whom, is sufficient to preemptively deprive someone of their rights, up to and including their freedom? It isn't easy to involuntarily commit someone, which often is the only thing that could possibly prevent someone with deteriorating mental health issues from causing harm.

      As for the guy with the knife, it will be interesting to learn more about his background, and any warning signs. Initial reports are nobody had a clue - yet he's apparently sharing now that he's been having fantasies about this kind of thing since childhood.

      "No one life is more important than another. No one voice is more valid than another. Each life is a treasure. Each voice deserves to be heard." Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse & Onomastic

      by Catte Nappe on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 10:54:04 AM PDT

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      •  I favor balancing the right to privacy in (0+ / 0-)

        ways that help those close to the person to get help for their problems (mental health/drugs/alcohol, whatever).

        E.g. a spouse goes to see the doctor for their own medical issue, and the doc asks about stress, and the spouse admits to sleepless nights and eventually the doc asks about suicidal thoughts and the question pulls out from the patient that it's their partner that is depressed, or has rage attacks. And then the doc can validate the risk of a gun in the home and give out trigger locks.

        And the fearful spouse can go home and have a fight about installing the trigger lock. In some fraction of situations the trigger lock will go on the gun and it may prevent a child from shooting someone with the gun. In some other fraction of situations the spouse, who may not want the gun in the home, and validated by their doctor may insist that the gun have the trigger lock on it, or the gun has to go.

        There are a lot of interventions that would improve safety in the home, but they are easily defeated if anyone can go to a gunshow and just buy another gun, which is what Jared Loughner did after his parents took his shotgun away.

        "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

        by LilithGardener on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 11:35:48 AM PDT

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        •  True (2+ / 0-)
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          But DFWMom indicates an (understandable) wish that more forceful prevention, including via law enforcment, might occur. That was the thrust of my comment.

          "No one life is more important than another. No one voice is more valid than another. Each life is a treasure. Each voice deserves to be heard." Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse & Onomastic

          by Catte Nappe on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 12:24:17 PM PDT

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