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  •  Anonymous does not have a confession. (2+ / 0-)
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    I am sick and tired of hearing, as a fact, that this girl was raped.  The only things publicly known about this case come from a grieving mother, who is understandably emotionally invested in her particular version of the facts.

    What anonymous supposedly has, is not a confession, but one of the boys confirming that there was a party where this girl had sex with four guys.  Except he says it was consensual.  (I heard a representative from Anonymous on the radio this morning).

    We also do not know exactly what is in that picture or where it was posted/who it was shared with.  (although the police have just announced someone has come forward with new evidence and they are re-opening the investigation).

    It pisses me off how fast people jump to conclusions and outrage based on so little information. Has anyone even considered the possibility that the reason the police did not charge anyone for sexual assault is because there was ample evidence that the sex was consensual?  

    Listen, I'm not saying it was or it wasn't.  All I'm saying is that people have only heard one (very biased) side of this story, and have no basis to jump to conclusions one way or the other.

    We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both. - Former Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis

    by RageKage on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 02:44:26 PM PDT

    •  Well it pisses me off that all of a sudden there (6+ / 0-)

      is "new" evidence to justify re-opening an investigation. And it also pisses me off that in 2013, we have a generation of kids that doesn't understand that drunk women are not your sexual playthings. It also pisses me off that people are basically taking pornographic pictures of minors which then "go viral" with no consequences.

      Since when is the party that embraces all the top tenets of Satan allowed to call the God shots?--wyvern

      by voracious on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 02:54:32 PM PDT

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      •  Why does it piss you off that there's new evidence (1+ / 0-)
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        You should read the article first:  http://www.cbc.ca/...

        The new evidence was somebody coming forward.  Why does that piss you off?

        Also, what is your source for the claim that this picture "went viral"?  All I have ever heard is a claim from the mother that the picture was circulated at school by text (to how many people is never specified.)

        Is it wrong for someone to circulate a picture of someone engaged in a sexual act, without their permission?  Of course it is.  It is despicable, and also illegal when it is a minor.   But we DON'T KNOW who specifically shared this photo, and who was in possession of it, do we?

        Likely the new evidence is someone coming forward with specific information in this regard.  And if the police have actual evidence of who was responsible I am sure they will charge them, and that is a good thing.

        We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both. - Former Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis

        by RageKage on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 03:07:10 PM PDT

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    •  we don't know all the facts. However, it's (2+ / 0-)
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      pretty clear that photos of her having sex/being raped were posted and went viral.
      And even if the sex was "consensual," there's the question about her age and the ages of the boys.
      And there's questions about alcohol use by underage kids in someone's house. Where were the parents?
      My view is that the rape issue is only one of the things that needs to be investigated. These incidents where nude photos are posted online without the permission of the person being photographed needs to be dealt with.
      And the cyber bullying that seems to follow -- we need to deal with that. All the kids who write sad things after one of these suicides -- were they doing anything to stop the cyber bullies or were they giving permission by their silence?

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      by Tamar on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 03:03:18 PM PDT

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      •  What makes you think this picture was "posted" (0+ / 0-)

        online?  I haven't even heard that allegation from the mother.  How is it pretty clear at all?

        Also, why would you think that this rape allegation wasn't already thoroughly investigated?  Is there any basis for saying that it wasn't?  Or is it just the fact that no charges were laid?  Perhaps this is the RESULT of a thorough investigation?  

        Of course cyber bullying is an issue.  But this is an issue far beyond this case.  And the fact is, we know NOTHING about the details of this bullying - other than extremely vague allegations by the mother

        All I ask is that people take a step back and consider what information we actually know and how we know it, before deciding to join an online lynch mob.

        And as to the issue of teenage kids drinking and having sex...  really?  This is an issue that requires national attention?

        We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both. - Former Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis

        by RageKage on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 03:17:43 PM PDT

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        •  Yes, this requires national attention. (5+ / 0-)
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          Girls need to be aware of what can happen, and more importantly, boys need to be aware that a drunk, incapacitated girl is not their sexual plaything.

          The more attention these stories get, the more conversations will happen and hopefully the cyberbullying and the sexual abuse will start to decline.

          Since when is the party that embraces all the top tenets of Satan allowed to call the God shots?--wyvern

          by voracious on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 03:56:08 PM PDT

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          •  Evidence of incapacitation? (0+ / 0-)

            Again, point me to ANY evidence that suggests this girl was incapacitated.

            We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both. - Former Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis

            by RageKage on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 04:02:30 PM PDT

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            •  No "evidence" has been released (2+ / 0-)
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              but the
              memorial page on Facebook has the post from Anonymous. It should probably be included in the diary, but I'm going to post it here since we are all wondering what they have

              FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE -- April 12, 2013 - 12PM GMT

              Greetings from Anonymous.

              Please be aware of the following facts:

              1) One of the alleged rapists has made several public statements admitting that he did have sex with Raetaeh on the night in question. He admits she was inebriated at the time, also that she was throwing up during the act.

              2) During his confession, he names three other boys and admits that they too took turns having sex with Rahtaeh that night as well. The names match with those we have confirmed during our investigation.

              3) The individual making this confession is the same boy identified in the photograph. He has also admitted to being in the photograph and named the accomplice who took the picture.

              4) All information, including screenshots of the confession, have been made available to the police.

              5) Two boys have been implicated repeatedly whom we believe are innocent based on numerous testimonies given by individuals with first hand knowledge of the surrounding events.

              6) There are multiple witnesses who were classmates of the alleged rapists that can confirm they were shown the photograph of Rehtaeh by them.

              7) At the very least, there was a house with a minimum of half a dozen underage students consuming alcohol and engaging in sexual intercourse. What happened in this house resulting in the spread of child pornography. This much the police will agree to. No charges have been filed in regards to this.

              Why is Anonymous involved in this case? We are involved because the facts above clearly illustrate that several crimes have been committed in Nova Scotia. A 17-year-old girl killed herself because the police failed to do their jobs and charge a single person for any of them.

              Is it necessary for Anonymous to be involved in this case? Yes. For a moment lets set aside the theatrics, the masks and the labels. We are group of concerned citizens that have recognized an injustice in the system. We have taken it upon ourselves to point out that injustice to the public and we are asking the police to correct their incompetent handling of this case--a young girl has already died from it.

              An image of a 15-year-old girl having sex was viral in Cole Harbour District High School. Neither the school nor the police dispute this. By legal definition that image was child pornography. By some estimates, hundreds of individuals have already seen the photograph, including many adults. The police have seen the photograph. The fact that this evidence was disregarded as inappropriate for any kind of arrest by the police is unconscionable.

              What the police are saying to the citizens of Nova Scotia is clear: Having underage students drinking and having sex in your home is not a crime in our community. Photographs of 15-year-old girls having sex is not child pornography, but if it is, the distribution of that child pornography is not a crime. A 15-year-old girl is capable of giving her consent to sex even after she is inebriated to the point that she vomits while hanging out of a window--it is not sexual assault.

              We urge the RCMP to act like guardians , set the proper example for the young men of Nova Scotia and send a clear message: This behavior will not be tolerated in our communities. The women and young girls of Nova Scotia should not have to live in fear or be forced to hide evidence of a rape because they will be called whores.

              As we have previously warned, the identities of these individuals have already began to circulate online independent of our own actions. We have done our best to keep those names from being released. Two young men are being implicated in a crime we know they did not commit. Is it illegal for us to release their identities and let the world know that they are innocent? What justice will be made available to them once their names are slandered throughout the world and for all time?

              It is not for the police to decide the facts presented here do not constitute a crime. That is the responsibility of a jury. A claim of sexual assault has been made. There is photographic evidence of it. There is an admission that child pornography was distributed throughout the community. One of the individuals who should be charged hasn't even disputed these facts. We are asking--no, we are demanding: Let a jury decide. Follow your own procedures and protect the innocent.

              We do not seek vigilante justice. If those who we believe are guilty are exonerated in a court of law, Anonymous will disappear from Nova Scotia.

              If we decide to release the names a deadline will be declared at least one week in advance.

              Since when is the party that embraces all the top tenets of Satan allowed to call the God shots?--wyvern

              by voracious on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 04:16:35 PM PDT

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        •  this: (2+ / 0-)
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          She said one boy took a photo of the alleged assault in 2011 and her daughter was subjected to bullying after it went viral.
          http://www.cbsnews.com/...
          can't go viral if it's not posted by someone.

          Now I guess it's possible I'm wrong, and it was just copied and handed out to lots of other kids, but "viral" usually means internet.

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          by Tamar on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 04:00:39 PM PDT

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          •  That's exactly my point - (0+ / 0-)

            All of this is based on interviews a grieving mother is giving to the media, and she has been very vague about the actual allegations.  

            In other interviews she makes clear that the allegation is that the picture was shared via text message at school:  

            Parsons said the four boys allegedly involved with her daughter's assault took photos which were circulated via text to people at her school.
            http://www.cbc.ca/...

            This is also what I heard her say when she was interviewed on national radio (CBC's As It Happens) a few days ago.

            We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both. - Former Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis

            by RageKage on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 04:09:56 PM PDT

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        •  The girl's mother claimed the picture was online (1+ / 0-)
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          http://www.latimes.com/...

          In an impassioned message posted on Facebook, her mother, Leah Parsons, wrote that four boys assaulted Rehtaeh in November 2011 and spread a photo of the act online, branding the teen a “slut” and launching an avalanche of harassment from her classmates.

          Since when is the party that embraces all the top tenets of Satan allowed to call the God shots?--wyvern

          by voracious on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 04:07:32 PM PDT

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          •  Sloppy reporting (0+ / 0-)

            Read the blogpost.  She does NOT say it was posted online.  

            one of those boys took a photo of her being raped and decided it would be fun to distribute the photo to everyone in Rehtaeh’s school and community where it quickly went viral.
            https://www.facebook.com/...

            Now, most people read "went viral" and assume she meant posted online, but if you look at the actual interviews she have to media, it is clear that is not what she meant.  (See my comment below)  The allegation she is actually making is that the photo was spread by text message.

            We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both. - Former Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis

            by RageKage on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 04:21:54 PM PDT

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    •  Statutory rape - ever hear of it? (2+ / 0-)
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      Child pornography - ever hear of it?

      The girl may have been drugged but you still think she should be considered to be a freely consenting adult party in the situation.

      Get mad at the problem, ffs.

      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 03:23:58 PM PDT

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      •  Not statutory rape (1+ / 0-)
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        The age of consent in Canada is 16 to have sex with anybody.  And it is also legal to have sex with someone under 16 if you are within five years of their age.

        Perhaps this girl was drugged.  Perhaps this girl was hypnotized by an alien mind-control ray.   Perhaps she was a completely willing participant who regretted it after.  We don't know, do we?

        You know who probably has the most information and evidence about what happened?  The police.  And they did not have evidence that would allow them to lay charges.

        We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both. - Former Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis

        by RageKage on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 03:33:43 PM PDT

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        •  Conveniently omit child pornography (2+ / 0-)
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          Perhaps she was a completely willing participant
          Yeah, right!

          Please proceed.

          "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

          by LilithGardener on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 03:39:44 PM PDT

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          •  Allegation = guilty, eh? (0+ / 0-)

            Why bother with evidence and proof and all that?

            I am not omitting child pornography, but who specifically  should the police charge with that and based on what evidence that you are aware of?  If they had evidence that someone was in possession of or distributed that picture they certainly would charge them (as they should).  (And it appears they may have new evidence in this regard).

            But what evidence can you actually point to, to show that the police had enough to charge someone and simply chose not to do so?

            We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both. - Former Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis

            by RageKage on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 03:47:36 PM PDT

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            •  Sorry I'm not following the case (2+ / 0-)
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              and am not emotional about it, or obsessed with it.

              You are pointing out to the most disturbing fact of the situation for teens and alcohol and sex.

              Even if she started out as a willing participant, by the time someone is unconscious it is long past any possibility of consent.

              You are inadvertently pointing out how easy it is for predatory young men to assault and humiliate one of their female peers. To get away scot free all they have to do is not take any pictures or videos.

              It is clear that teen sexual assault is occurring, but the only ones who MIGHT ever be prosecuted are those young men who are so predatory that they need to brag about their conquest and impress their friends by further humiliating the girl and sending out trophy pics and videos.

              Without their drive to fame FOR being able to do "it" and get away with the post coitus humiliation parade, there would be ZERO chance of prosecution.

              That means that there are also juve rapists who are smart enough not to document it, and they know they will get away with it. The targeted girl who can't deal with the trauma and kills herself will be just another incident of sad teen girl suicide.

              "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

              by LilithGardener on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 04:00:39 PM PDT

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              •  As the parent of teenaged boys I also think (4+ / 0-)
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                it is important for education of these young men that women are not to be treated like this. It seems that in case after case these boys do not believe they are doing anything wrong. And the kids taking the pictures and sharing them are not capable of recognizing awful behavior.

                There was a long article about the Steubenville case and one of the witnesses helped the girl take of her shirt when she was throwing up so it wouldn't get stained, but left her in the street.

                Clues need to be caught.

                Since when is the party that embraces all the top tenets of Satan allowed to call the God shots?--wyvern

                by voracious on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 04:03:18 PM PDT

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              •  Of course someone who is unconscious can't consent (0+ / 0-)

                (although, if my wife falls asleep while we are doing it, I don't think that counts)

                But again, can you point me to ANY evidence that this girl was unconscious or otherwise incapacitated?

                We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both. - Former Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis

                by RageKage on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 04:13:59 PM PDT

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                •  Again, I'm not obsessed with the case (1+ / 0-)
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                  and further, you're smart enough to know that since juveniles are involved the evidence will not be published.

                  "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

                  by LilithGardener on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 04:16:45 PM PDT

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                  •  Of course it won't (0+ / 0-)

                    But why should we let lack of any evidence stop us from rushing to judgment about people's guilt?

                    And the inability to make information public works both ways.  We also will not hear about any exculpatory evidence either.   I am not saying a crime was not committed.  I'm saying WE DON'T KNOW, and because of that we should avoid joining an online virtual lynch mob.

                    We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both. - Former Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis

                    by RageKage on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 04:28:04 PM PDT

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                    •  Have you noticed how there is almost always (0+ / 0-)

                      a lack of evidence for the claim that an unconscious girl was drunk, and no one demands evidence that she willingly consumed sufficient alcohol to pass out?

                      And no one demands proof from the photographers and videographers that they had permission to take naked pics and video of sex acts and also that they had permission to distribute them or publish them on the internet.

                      Why the double standard? (in case you can't tell, that's a rhetorical question)

                      You, and many other people seem so willing to accept the premise that when a girl or woman accepts the first alcoholic beverage, FROM SOMEONE SHE TRUSTED, that she automatically consented to ingest whatever led to her intoxication and losing consciousness.

                      A skilled defense attorney can create a lot of doubt by  relying on a flawed evidence standard that the victim's inability to recall or validate the photos or videos of what happened from their own memory means there is insufficient evidence of a crime, especially if there are multiple attackers, who can corroborate whatever story the rapists make up.

                      Your arguments are the same as those offered in defense of Dominique Strauss Kahn after a hotel maid accused him of sexual assault. It didn't take long for his extensive history as a sexual predator to finally see the light of day.

                      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

                      by LilithGardener on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 07:20:34 PM PDT

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                •  I've noticed you seem to be unwilling to deal (2+ / 0-)
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                  with the traumatic aspects of the situation.

                  Your thesis is very clear.

                  The boys should be considered innocent unless there is compelling evidence.

                  And the girl should be presumed willing and consenting because multiple boys say that she was.

                  And that is part of why the date rape drug is so successful for predators. It is more than a sedative. It is an anesthesia, and is metabolized quickly, so it is very difficult to measure afterward. And the best effect from a predators view is that the victim will have no memory of what happened or even of who was there.

                  "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

                  by LilithGardener on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 04:27:25 PM PDT

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                  •  What does the date rape drug have to do with this? (0+ / 0-)

                    I don't think even the mother has alleged that a date-rape drug was administered.

                    And I don't understand your argument, either.  I agree with your comments about why the date rape drug is so successful for predators.  But what does that have to do with this case?  And does that mean we should throw out all the normal standards we usually apply to criminal allegations?

                    We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both. - Former Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis

                    by RageKage on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 04:32:38 PM PDT

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                    •  You and others willingly accept without evidence (0+ / 0-)

                      that an unconscious young woman consented to her severe intoxication, and that no one who was not severely intoxicated had any responsibility to call for medical intervention.

                      Reckless disregard comes to mind.

                      OR

                      They knew she wasn't at risk for alcohol or drug overdose because they knew what they had drugged her with, and that it would already be out of her system the next day, before she ever got to a hospital for a rape exam.

                      These situations are not about sex, but about seduction and betrayal, violence, control, and extended humiliation.

                      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

                      by LilithGardener on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 07:59:11 PM PDT

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                      •  No I don't. (0+ / 0-)

                        1.  There, as far as I know, has ever even been an allegation that this young women was unconscious.

                        2.  I have never argued anything one way or the other, OTHER than we should not make conclusions WITHOUT evidence and that we have no evidence about this case (other than the mother's allegations).

                        We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both. - Former Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis

                        by RageKage on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 09:01:59 PM PDT

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    •  Canadian law? (4+ / 0-)

      Here, she is under the age of consent and the acts would be handled under our rape laws, period.  What the applicable laws were there, I don't know.  But, let's get to the moral issues.  I once threatened an 18 year old boy who wanted to "date" my young daughter - just under 15 at the time - with a bunch of his buddies, while she was staying for the weekend at her mother's.  She was in favor of the idea, and her mother was being the "nice" parent.  It is a longer story than I want to relate here, and it had all the earmarks of leading to this sort of abuse.  Suffice it to write that he took me seriously (and it was not a bluff) and she thanked me when she was around 18.  It was a big deal at the time, believe me, and she didn't forget.  She recognized at 18 what every parent knows to be true, that an adolescent's judgement is often simply not up to the task of assessing a situation like the one.  It was a crime in my judgement.  

      •  Canadian law: (4+ / 0-)
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        The basic age of consent in Canada is 16 years.  However, it is legal to have sexual activity with someone 14 or 15 if one is less than five years older then that person.  And it is legal to have sex with someone 12 or 13 if one is less than two years older.

        (If a person is in a position of trust or authority over someone, then the age of consent is 18)

        It is also illegal to have anal sex under the age of 18, but I have never heard of that being charged and it would not withstand a constitutional challenge.  

        We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both. - Former Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis

        by RageKage on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 03:40:37 PM PDT

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