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  •  Statutory rape - ever hear of it? (2+ / 0-)
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    Child pornography - ever hear of it?

    The girl may have been drugged but you still think she should be considered to be a freely consenting adult party in the situation.

    Get mad at the problem, ffs.

    "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

    by LilithGardener on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 03:23:58 PM PDT

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    •  Not statutory rape (1+ / 0-)
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      The age of consent in Canada is 16 to have sex with anybody.  And it is also legal to have sex with someone under 16 if you are within five years of their age.

      Perhaps this girl was drugged.  Perhaps this girl was hypnotized by an alien mind-control ray.   Perhaps she was a completely willing participant who regretted it after.  We don't know, do we?

      You know who probably has the most information and evidence about what happened?  The police.  And they did not have evidence that would allow them to lay charges.

      We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both. - Former Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis

      by RageKage on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 03:33:43 PM PDT

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      •  Conveniently omit child pornography (2+ / 0-)
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        Perhaps she was a completely willing participant
        Yeah, right!

        Please proceed.

        "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

        by LilithGardener on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 03:39:44 PM PDT

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        •  Allegation = guilty, eh? (0+ / 0-)

          Why bother with evidence and proof and all that?

          I am not omitting child pornography, but who specifically  should the police charge with that and based on what evidence that you are aware of?  If they had evidence that someone was in possession of or distributed that picture they certainly would charge them (as they should).  (And it appears they may have new evidence in this regard).

          But what evidence can you actually point to, to show that the police had enough to charge someone and simply chose not to do so?

          We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both. - Former Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis

          by RageKage on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 03:47:36 PM PDT

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          •  Sorry I'm not following the case (2+ / 0-)
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            and am not emotional about it, or obsessed with it.

            You are pointing out to the most disturbing fact of the situation for teens and alcohol and sex.

            Even if she started out as a willing participant, by the time someone is unconscious it is long past any possibility of consent.

            You are inadvertently pointing out how easy it is for predatory young men to assault and humiliate one of their female peers. To get away scot free all they have to do is not take any pictures or videos.

            It is clear that teen sexual assault is occurring, but the only ones who MIGHT ever be prosecuted are those young men who are so predatory that they need to brag about their conquest and impress their friends by further humiliating the girl and sending out trophy pics and videos.

            Without their drive to fame FOR being able to do "it" and get away with the post coitus humiliation parade, there would be ZERO chance of prosecution.

            That means that there are also juve rapists who are smart enough not to document it, and they know they will get away with it. The targeted girl who can't deal with the trauma and kills herself will be just another incident of sad teen girl suicide.

            "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

            by LilithGardener on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 04:00:39 PM PDT

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            •  As the parent of teenaged boys I also think (4+ / 0-)
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              it is important for education of these young men that women are not to be treated like this. It seems that in case after case these boys do not believe they are doing anything wrong. And the kids taking the pictures and sharing them are not capable of recognizing awful behavior.

              There was a long article about the Steubenville case and one of the witnesses helped the girl take of her shirt when she was throwing up so it wouldn't get stained, but left her in the street.

              Clues need to be caught.

              Since when is the party that embraces all the top tenets of Satan allowed to call the God shots?--wyvern

              by voracious on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 04:03:18 PM PDT

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            •  Of course someone who is unconscious can't consent (0+ / 0-)

              (although, if my wife falls asleep while we are doing it, I don't think that counts)

              But again, can you point me to ANY evidence that this girl was unconscious or otherwise incapacitated?

              We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both. - Former Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis

              by RageKage on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 04:13:59 PM PDT

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              •  Again, I'm not obsessed with the case (1+ / 0-)
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                and further, you're smart enough to know that since juveniles are involved the evidence will not be published.

                "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

                by LilithGardener on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 04:16:45 PM PDT

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                •  Of course it won't (0+ / 0-)

                  But why should we let lack of any evidence stop us from rushing to judgment about people's guilt?

                  And the inability to make information public works both ways.  We also will not hear about any exculpatory evidence either.   I am not saying a crime was not committed.  I'm saying WE DON'T KNOW, and because of that we should avoid joining an online virtual lynch mob.

                  We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both. - Former Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis

                  by RageKage on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 04:28:04 PM PDT

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                  •  Have you noticed how there is almost always (0+ / 0-)

                    a lack of evidence for the claim that an unconscious girl was drunk, and no one demands evidence that she willingly consumed sufficient alcohol to pass out?

                    And no one demands proof from the photographers and videographers that they had permission to take naked pics and video of sex acts and also that they had permission to distribute them or publish them on the internet.

                    Why the double standard? (in case you can't tell, that's a rhetorical question)

                    You, and many other people seem so willing to accept the premise that when a girl or woman accepts the first alcoholic beverage, FROM SOMEONE SHE TRUSTED, that she automatically consented to ingest whatever led to her intoxication and losing consciousness.

                    A skilled defense attorney can create a lot of doubt by  relying on a flawed evidence standard that the victim's inability to recall or validate the photos or videos of what happened from their own memory means there is insufficient evidence of a crime, especially if there are multiple attackers, who can corroborate whatever story the rapists make up.

                    Your arguments are the same as those offered in defense of Dominique Strauss Kahn after a hotel maid accused him of sexual assault. It didn't take long for his extensive history as a sexual predator to finally see the light of day.

                    "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

                    by LilithGardener on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 07:20:34 PM PDT

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              •  I've noticed you seem to be unwilling to deal (2+ / 0-)
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                with the traumatic aspects of the situation.

                Your thesis is very clear.

                The boys should be considered innocent unless there is compelling evidence.

                And the girl should be presumed willing and consenting because multiple boys say that she was.

                And that is part of why the date rape drug is so successful for predators. It is more than a sedative. It is an anesthesia, and is metabolized quickly, so it is very difficult to measure afterward. And the best effect from a predators view is that the victim will have no memory of what happened or even of who was there.

                "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

                by LilithGardener on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 04:27:25 PM PDT

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                •  What does the date rape drug have to do with this? (0+ / 0-)

                  I don't think even the mother has alleged that a date-rape drug was administered.

                  And I don't understand your argument, either.  I agree with your comments about why the date rape drug is so successful for predators.  But what does that have to do with this case?  And does that mean we should throw out all the normal standards we usually apply to criminal allegations?

                  We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both. - Former Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis

                  by RageKage on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 04:32:38 PM PDT

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                  •  You and others willingly accept without evidence (0+ / 0-)

                    that an unconscious young woman consented to her severe intoxication, and that no one who was not severely intoxicated had any responsibility to call for medical intervention.

                    Reckless disregard comes to mind.

                    OR

                    They knew she wasn't at risk for alcohol or drug overdose because they knew what they had drugged her with, and that it would already be out of her system the next day, before she ever got to a hospital for a rape exam.

                    These situations are not about sex, but about seduction and betrayal, violence, control, and extended humiliation.

                    "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

                    by LilithGardener on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 07:59:11 PM PDT

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                    •  No I don't. (0+ / 0-)

                      1.  There, as far as I know, has ever even been an allegation that this young women was unconscious.

                      2.  I have never argued anything one way or the other, OTHER than we should not make conclusions WITHOUT evidence and that we have no evidence about this case (other than the mother's allegations).

                      We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both. - Former Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis

                      by RageKage on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 09:01:59 PM PDT

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