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View Diary: Did Gerrymandering Cost Dems the House? A 34-State Look at Alternative Nonpartisan Maps Suggests Yes (161 comments)

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  •  Good Report...thank you (11+ / 0-)

    Me thinks that we need to focus on the next census... 2020 and be ready.  

    •  That's 4 cycles away (4+ / 0-)
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      Meanwhile, the 2010 debacle will continue to be the gift that keeps on giving.

      Some men see things as they are and ask why. I dream of things that never were and ask why not?

      by RFK Lives on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 01:33:42 PM PDT

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      •  hopefully, Democrats have learned... (4+ / 0-)
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        ... not to piss off their base nor let Republicans get away with a constant stream of lies in a census year.  sadly, 2014 is already beginning to look like a repeat of that.

        I'm a blue drop in a red bucket.

        by blue drop on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 08:31:29 PM PDT

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        •  I (1+ / 0-)
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          doubt it.  I mean even Chris Matthews said we needed to calm down and show up.  And I am NO Tweety fan.  He okay.  But he was outright begging us to show up.  He did numerous shows.

          But honestly, as I remember Kos and others saying at the time.  The Democrats had the House and a Supermajority.  WE HAD BOTH!  And we still can't get a Public Option at least?

          My brother knows fuckall about politics and knew the Stimulus was not enough.  Pelosi and others even to this day try to tell us we are crazy and Chained CPI is a good thing.

          I say fuck this, in safe districts we need to primary.  Go all in.

          I say NO HILLARY.  We can get a true left strong Democratic President.  Nationally we have nothing to lose.

    •  Focusing on the next census (4+ / 0-)

      is just another all-eggs-in-one-basket tactic. I don't want to focus on Democrats winning in 2018 and taking back the reins to do damage to Republicans. I want to FIX this. Ohio is SO screwed — even more in our legislature than in Congress, with a spate of the most extremist legislation we have ever seen and legislators that know they can't be ousted. Plus term limits ... don't even get me started on the damage term limits do to democracy. No one cares who holds the seat when the Tea Party is the real power controlling the state from a tiny minority position.

      Jon Husted is a dick.

      by anastasia p on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 04:39:51 PM PDT

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      •  Doesn't this gerrymandering (2+ / 0-)
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        make a complete mockery of our claims to be the "best democracy in the world"?  Even the UK does a much better job drawing voting districts.  Until gerrymandering is ended, we're basically a fraud of a "democracy."  It's absurd.

      •  It's terribly depressing (1+ / 0-)
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        Whenever Democrats talk about drawing congressional districts, we always talk in terms of making them fair and representative.  Whenever Republicans talk about it, they talk about wringing the greatest possible number of seats from the map.

        I agree that we can't simply focus on the next census, we have to build the infrastructure so that the next round of redistricting can't be hijacked the way 2010 was.  We need to get independent redistricting commissions constitutional amendments onto as many state ballots as possible.

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