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  •  It's always bugging the ever loving sh!t (47+ / 0-)

    out of me that people see built-in "advantages" for the disadvantaged. Both of my kids have a host of learning disabilities and as a result, they are both on an IEP (individual education plan).  The IEP states that they get some accommodations that are designed to bring them up to the standard. My eldest is dyslexic, so she gets extra time on her tests. My youngest has an anxiety disorder, so she can take tests in a smaller group. They both get smaller classrooms moving at a slower pace.

    Yet I continually read about the "advantages" the Special Ed kids get and how parents are trying to get those same advantages for their kids. Why should dyslexic kids get extra time for tests, just because they read so much slower due to a disability!?!?! These people can't seem to understand that we are merely bringing our students on par with other students.

    It's the same here -- it's not fair that all those disadvantaged students are getting so many advantages! A university can look at a whole person, consider that s/he went to a bad school, lived in a horrible area, had overcome some personal tragedies, etc, and decide that may be more impressive than a 4.5 GPA at a top school in a wealthy town. I don't think joining ten clubs instead of three is going to give her the life experience that the university is asking for.

    Maybe working for an actual charity (instead of considering constructing a fake one) would have improved her odds. Maybe she should have used her considerable knowledge to tutor underprivileged kids. Maybe that would have popped the bubble she seems to be living in.

    First the thing is impossible, then improbable, then unsatisfactorily achieved, then quietly improved, until one day it is actual and uncontroversial. ... It starts off impossible and it ends up done. - Adam Gopnik

    by theKgirls on Sun Apr 14, 2013 at 08:08:14 AM PDT

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    •  Well, they should see them (0+ / 0-)

      We should see advantages for the disadvantaged, because they exist. And they should.  Because when you give an advantage the disadvantaged, you make things fair from that point on, irrespective of what happened before that, which, essentially was not the student's responsibility.   It's not like they're disadvantaging an advantaged person--- the advantages are still there, they just aren't as strong as they were.  

      Conservatives need to realize that their Silent Moral Majority is neither silent, nor moral, nor a majority.

      by nominalize on Mon Apr 15, 2013 at 05:51:38 AM PDT

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    •  My younger child has an LD (4+ / 0-)
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      and was accepted to 6 out of the 8 colleges she applied to.  She still gets accommodations in college.  These kids work so much harder to learn.  She would gladly trade places with a student with no learning disability.  Anyone want to take her up on that?  The idea is to test what the student has learned, not to make it harder for that student to demonstrate that.

      Of course, she didn't apply to IV league or super duper top universities.  There are many good colleges and universities out there doing their part in giving students a good education.    She still struggles to get a B, but she works like a dog for that B.  Quite frankly, there were many times when she was in elementary and high school that I thought she'd never be able to go to college.  So I'm just so thrilled she's doing as well as she is.  

      This is part of the reason I cannot muster much sympathy of Ms. Weiss.

    •  A memorable reply by a special ed expert... (3+ / 0-)
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      theKgirls, ColoTim, Larin a video lecture I saw many years ago had to do with the same idea, i.e. that because some kids get more of the teacher's time and energy, or receive special accommodations, it's "unfair" to the other kids. His reply was, "Fair doesn't mean everyone being treated the same. It means everyone gets what they need."

      As for the girl in the interview, I hope she'll get what she needs in college once she gets over grousing about not getting what she wants. I think she's at least a bit entitled, but hopefully she can use it as a learning experience. The tone-deaf quality of her social commentary suggests that it may require some humility on her part, which she might need to struggle a bit to attain, as a privileged kid who doesn't get how privileged she is.

      •  I'm hopeful her fellow students at wherever (0+ / 0-)

        she goes to college help her to learn about their efforts, and maybe will teach her some humility along the way.  They'll Google her just as they'll Google all the rest of their classmates and this is one person who will stand out for having much more than just a Facebook account.

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