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  •  She is bad at math, that's for sure. (9+ / 0-)

    She applied to 3 Ivies and Vanderbilt.

    Let's say each has a 10% admission rate.

    What's the chance of her getting rejected by all four? (.9 to the 4th power = 65%)

    Why the surprise?

    •  Because she felt she was so much better than (0+ / 0-)

      the other 90% of the applicants at each of the schools.

      Whiny self-pity party definitely.  She can express herself very well in an interview on national TV, which would result in many high-school age kids not being nearly so capable of carrying on intelligent conversation.  Still, I probably commend the Ivies and Vanderbilt for choosing other people and I'm wondering if she will deign to follow through on the offer of admission at my alma mater.  I certainly expect her fellow students to very quickly learn that wherever she attends, it is not her first choice and I hope they treat her appropriately.

      •  WTF? (0+ / 0-)

        Students at colleges that weren't their first choice are deserving of the opprobrium of their fellow students?  I don't know that your alma mater would be very proud of your attitude.

        •  You're assuming "appropriately" means badly. (0+ / 0-)

          I'm referring to it in the spirit of "education".  I received a lesson in a variety of people and cultures that I had only read about starting with my first day on campus.  She needs to also learn that there's a whole variety of people at a state school.  If she brings her self-pitying attitude of having to "settle" for one of the best institutions in the whole world, just because it's not her first choice (but is ranked higher in a recent study than at least one of her schools, though overall ranking doesn't mean as much as ranking in her field of study), I really don't have much sympathy for her and I really wouldn't expect the students to either.  This girl needs to learn there's a real world out there, and I think her education will be much more than what she now plans on.

          •  Yeah, right (0+ / 0-)

            If that were your intention, you failed miserably.  Perhaps you should have gotten more "education" at university.  

            But I think you are merely equivocating.  What, pray tell, should her fellow students teach her?  You know nothing about her background or her exposure to others.  Your comments evince a personal animus towards a teenager you do not know.  Sadly, your education at one of the best institutions in the world (that's a large category you are creating there; perhaps you're not terribly aware of the number of excellent global universities) didn't teach not to draw broad conclusions on minimal information.  

            •  I was basing the rating off the report published (0+ / 0-)


              The Times Higher Education World Reputation Rankings employ the world's largest invitation-only academic opinion survey to provide the definitive list of the top 100 most powerful global university brands. A spin-off of the annual World University Rankings, the reputation league table is based on nothing more than subjective judgement - but it is the considered expert judgement of senior, published academics - the people best placed to know the most about excellence in our universities.
              I'd also say your conclusions about how much I know about her and that I have animus towards her are evidence that you, yourself, judge without information.  I suspect we will continue to disagree about that so no point in carrying that further.
    •  Excellent point. (4+ / 0-)

      Even if you apply to 10 schools with 10% acceptance rates, you still have a 35% chance of being rejected by all ten.

      I think it's a matter of focus.

      From her point of view, she's the smartest kid in her high school. Highest test score, high grades, blah blah blah. Now she can't understand why she didn't get in.

      But look at it from the colleges' point of view. I'll bet the Ivy League schools get thousands or tens of thousands of applications from "the smartest kid in the school." There are lots of high schools out there.

      "Stupid just can't keep its mouth shut." -- SweetAuntFanny's grandmother.

      by Dbug on Mon Apr 15, 2013 at 12:23:44 PM PDT

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      •  Big Fish in a Small Pond Syndrome n/t (2+ / 0-)
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        Dbug, helpImdrowning

        Writing in all lower-case letters should be a capital offense

        by ebohlman on Mon Apr 15, 2013 at 02:52:27 PM PDT

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        •  Exactly. There are a lot of these big fish-little (0+ / 0-)

          pond kids out there who are just not prepared for the reality of the big bad world. On the other hand, she did get her essay in the WSJ and landed an appearance on a nationally televised morning show, so the little fish has done alright.

          "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." - John F. Kennedy -7.8., -6.6

          by helpImdrowning on Mon Apr 15, 2013 at 04:49:01 PM PDT

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      •  But how would a high school kid know all this? (0+ / 0-)

        Of course there are lots of high achievers out there -- but top of the class is a big deal in any school.  Teachers and parents push kids to extreme achievement and foster improbable expectations. Maybe someone should point out the dangers of fighting for things everyone else wants, and instead encourage kids to find their own best paths. Kids can have fun and learn during their high school years.  This aspirational circus and its attendant industries cause unnecessary disillusionment for too many sweet, smart kids.

      •  Aren't you projecting a bit too much? (0+ / 0-)

        It appears she was angry and disappointed when she was rejected, but seems to be quite articulate and reasonable in that interview.  A lot of seniors probably had the same reaction on that fateful day.  Give her a break.

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