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  •  You focus on Obama to the exclusion... (10+ / 0-)

    of all else. You'll miss the point, the democratic party needs to be reformed.

    But convince yourself it's just Darth Obama if that floats yer boat.

    •  Obama is the one with the most power in DC (3+ / 0-)
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      and the biggest obsession with undermining Social Security and Medicare. He is also devious about his intentions. Deviousness + Obsession + great power = Great Danger to the future of the average American. Thus my exclusive focus on Obama.

      "It depends what the meaning of 'is', is"
      Platform of the Neo-Democratic Party
      Speaking out of one side of their mouth for the little guy, their nominal constituency, and the other for the plutocracy, their real constituency.

      by Sanctimonious on Sun Apr 14, 2013 at 11:31:31 AM PDT

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      •  Great, then focus on your super secret... (3+ / 0-)
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        plans to frustrate his agenda. But please leave me alone so I can try to stop Chained-CPI.

        TIA

      •  False. (0+ / 0-)

        Spendign power has historically always resided with the House. Full stop.

        Obama has the power of the bully puplit, but spending originates with the House.

        I repeatedly claimed that Obama would never propose cuts to social security. I was wrong. Then again, I also claimed, repeatedly, that Rick Perry would win the 2012 Election, and that The Supreme Court would overturn Health Care Reform.

        by NoFortunateSon on Sun Apr 14, 2013 at 01:34:33 PM PDT

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        •  The Senate originates most of the big bills now (3+ / 0-)
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          even the revenue related ones, even though that is unconstitutional.  It's been going on for a long time.

          It's called the substitution method. They take some unrelated bill that has been passed by the House and not the Senate.  They strip all the bill's language out of it and insert their language in and they send it to the House.  


          "Justice is a commodity"

          by joanneleon on Sun Apr 14, 2013 at 01:54:53 PM PDT

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    •  Also, Obama is the one driving (0+ / 0-)

      the cuts to Social Security and Medicare, since day one of his presidency. He is the main actor.

      "It depends what the meaning of 'is', is"
      Platform of the Neo-Democratic Party
      Speaking out of one side of their mouth for the little guy, their nominal constituency, and the other for the plutocracy, their real constituency.

      by Sanctimonious on Sun Apr 14, 2013 at 11:34:22 AM PDT

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    •  This times x1000 (also, it's called ODS) (1+ / 0-)
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      Obama Derangement Syndrome isn't going to help reject Chained CPI. He's just the one who signs the bill.

      Spending bills must originate in the House, then pass to the Senate.

      Kill Chained CPI in either Chamber, and it's dead.

      I'm not entirely sure how we got from a budget proposal to Obama being the puppet master of Congress.
       

      I repeatedly claimed that Obama would never propose cuts to social security. I was wrong. Then again, I also claimed, repeatedly, that Rick Perry would win the 2012 Election, and that The Supreme Court would overturn Health Care Reform.

      by NoFortunateSon on Sun Apr 14, 2013 at 01:33:56 PM PDT

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      •  He's not just the guy who signs the bill OR (6+ / 0-)

        vetos it.

        He's also the guy with the megaphone.  He's the guy who suggested it.  He's the guy who controls who gets funding when they run on the Democratic Ticket.

        "Pay no attention to the President" is as idiotic (and disingenuous when coming from someone like you, after your repeated efforts to give him sole credit for every good thing done by Congress in 5 years)  as efforts to pretend that we can defeat this without fighting it at the legislative level.

        dEar Ellois: U send Fud down holez, we no eaTz u. That iz deAl. No forget. MooRlockz Haz 2 eats. Stoopid Elloiz.

        by JesseCW on Sun Apr 14, 2013 at 01:59:04 PM PDT

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        •  Why is Gitmo still open? (0+ / 0-)

          Wasn't it closed by EO?

          Because of bipartisan political cowardice. I've yet to see an instance of bipartisan political bravery.

          Again, who is really going to vote for this? The OFA thugs can't make those up for election walk the plank.

          I repeatedly claimed that Obama would never propose cuts to social security. I was wrong. Then again, I also claimed, repeatedly, that Rick Perry would win the 2012 Election, and that The Supreme Court would overturn Health Care Reform.

          by NoFortunateSon on Sun Apr 14, 2013 at 03:50:32 PM PDT

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      •  IMO... (9+ / 0-)

        Obama is a symptom of a bigger problem, a broken democratic party that feigns concern for working class issues while serving the wealthy. There are plenty of other villains in this story, and he's not the only democratic doing wrong, but he's not innocent.

        And if he has his way on Chained-CPI, we can kiss control of the Senate goodbye. It's a cruel policy and his support of it has provided a unflattering glimpse at his real priorities.

        But tipped b/c I agree with this:

        Kill Chained CPI in either Chamber, and it's dead.
        That is something we should all agree on.
      •  just the one who signs the bill (3+ / 0-)
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        is more important than you seem to realize.

        The House originating a bill is a formality; it's politically meaningless.

        What matters is who can veto the bill: all three. If you can veto a bill, your full agreement is needed to pass it. That's true for the House, the Senate and the President.

        Usually, the President is in a more powerful position because he can sign or veto on his own, while the House or Senate require coalition politics.

        When you say "the President just signs", you're saying something profoundly ignorant.

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