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  •  Italian government formation (4+ / 0-)
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    BeloitDem, Hamtree, Swamp Cat, betelgeux

    The lower house is failing to elect a president. A 2/3 majority is needed to elect a president and no candidate can get over 25%. They're going to a fifth ballot today and everything is chaotic.

    (-9.38, -7.49), Blood type "O", social anarchist, KY-01, "When smashing monuments, save the pedestals. They always come in handy." — Stanisław Lem

    by Setsuna Mudo on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 08:47:51 AM PDT

    •  Italy's Government (4+ / 0-)
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      Hamtree, WisJohn, James Allen, betelgeux

      is incredibly fucked up.

    •  Maybe it will end up being Grillo's candidate? nt (0+ / 0-)

      Yes, it is bread we fight for -- but we fight for roses, too! | Pro-transit young black urban progressive | SSP/DKE | -9, -7.79 | MO-05: come for the jazz, stay for the burnt ends | Yard signs don't vote.

      by gabjoh on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 09:17:32 AM PDT

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      •  Maybe, but he's not gaining votes (1+ / 0-)
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        Hamtree

        He hasn't been able to get over 25% on any ballot and his support has been essentially stable (although unlike other candidates he's not fading away either.)

        (-9.38, -7.49), Blood type "O", social anarchist, KY-01, "When smashing monuments, save the pedestals. They always come in handy." — Stanisław Lem

        by Setsuna Mudo on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 09:23:27 AM PDT

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        •  What happens? (1+ / 0-)
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          lordpet8

          If they are never able to elect a new president? I assume they'd call new elections, but don't you need a new president to do that?

          We only think nothing goes without saying.

          by Hamtree on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 09:30:50 AM PDT

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          •  The current President's term last until mid-May (1+ / 0-)
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            So there will be time for him to act if they can't elect a new President. Starting with the next ballot the threshold will be reduced to a simple majority however.

            (-9.38, -7.49), Blood type "O", social anarchist, KY-01, "When smashing monuments, save the pedestals. They always come in handy." — Stanisław Lem

            by Setsuna Mudo on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 09:37:53 AM PDT

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    •  The obvious solution (1+ / 0-)
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      nonsensoleum

      Is to have it be Berlusconi.

      Seriously.

      Think about it. It's a powerless office in most parliamentary democracies, only relevant when it comes time to call elections. He couldn't do it and lead a party or be PM. Plus, by the time his term was done he would be too old to even think about running again. I don't think he'd take it because he wants power, but that would solve a lot of problems at once.

      •  Too polarizing (1+ / 0-)
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        sacman701

        Who would vote for him? A healthy majority of the PD wouldn't vote for him, Monti's group wouldn't vote for him, SEL would never support him, and Grillo's group wouldn't support him either. He'd be lucky if his own party would vote for him since he was only accepted back as party leader with an agreement he wouldn't hold a position in government higher than as a minister.

        (-9.38, -7.49), Blood type "O", social anarchist, KY-01, "When smashing monuments, save the pedestals. They always come in handy." — Stanisław Lem

        by Setsuna Mudo on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 10:03:46 AM PDT

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        •  They'll just re-elect Napolitano (0+ / 0-)

          Which they did. He's the only one above the fray. If Monti hadn't run for Prime Minister, I bet they could've gotten him installed as a technocrat Prime Minister for another year just to stabilize things.

          Kansan by birth, Californian by choice and Gay by the Grace of God.

          by arealmc on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 03:08:17 PM PDT

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    •  Italy (1+ / 0-)
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      Stephen Wolf

      That's what happens when a quarter of the vote goes to a protest party whose MO seems to be contrarianism for its own sake. Any chance that Bersani's and Monti's groups could merge for the next round?

      Why is Italy so much more dysfunctional than Germany? Both are geographically divided between rich and poor regions (Italy north/south, Germany east/west), both unified in the late 19th century after centuries of existence as dozens of mini-states, both had fascist governments in the 30s and 40s.

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      by sacman701 on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 11:09:07 AM PDT

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    •  I thought on the 5th ballot (0+ / 0-)

      it only takes a majority to elect a President.  

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