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  •  $8 A Pack Cigarettes To Fund SCHIP..... (12+ / 0-)

    $9 a pack cigarettes to fund universal pre-K.

    $10 a pack cigarettes in Minnesota to pay for a new Vikings stadium.

    $11 a pack cigarettes in Massachusetts to pay for new infrastructure projects.

    The audacious, morally bankrupt gluttony is fast approaching the point where it will produce diminishing returns, if it hasn't already.  So what happens when all these programs are online and the funding never appears?  Then what? Aside from being ethically monstrous, this is budgetary malpractice every bit as fiscally foolish as starting two wars without paying for them.

    •  I guess Dayton doesn't want my vote either (1+ / 0-)
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      Mark27

      another frickin' coward.

      Some people have short memories

      by lenzy1000 on Sun Apr 14, 2013 at 06:32:25 PM PDT

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      •  I Don't Even Smoke..... (2+ / 0-)
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        lenzy1000, kyril

        .....and I won't vote for Dayton again if this cigarette tax goes through.  It's especially galling for him since he specifically spoke out against the cigarette tax increase when Tom Horner supported it in the 2010 campaign.  For smokers who took Dayton at his word, this is pretty much the biggest betrayal since Brutus shanked Julius Caesar

    •  And when does the underground mkt appear? (1+ / 0-)
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      That's what I keep wondering. At some point, there will almost certainly spring up a prohibition-style black market with some of the same violent and nasty tendencies. For now there are the Indian reservations, where vice has definitely been become the primary source of economic development for decades past and well into the future, apparently.

      "The fools are as plentiful as ever." Albert Parsons, Haymarket martyr

      by kainah on Mon Apr 15, 2013 at 02:33:18 AM PDT

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      •  It already exists (1+ / 0-)
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        Wood Dragon

        Roll your own can be done with pipe tobacco, untaxed.  Many do it, but it's not a trivially easy practice.

        Those of us who use the e-cig have, until now, enjoyed nicotine liquids that are exempt from the tobacco taxes.  This is likely to change.  Most of us aren't against modest taxes that are in proportion to the social risk (about 1% that of smoking), but few think the government will be sensible.

        However, the governments can't continue to lose revenue as smokers switch, so they either over-tax it comparatively, or ban it outright.

        (-6.38, -7.03) Moderate left, moderate libertarian

        by Lonely Liberal in PA on Mon Apr 15, 2013 at 05:04:15 PM PDT

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        •  As Part of the SCHIP Expansion..... (1+ / 0-)
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          ....government raised the tax on roll-your-own tobacco something like 10,000%....to about $50 a bag.

          As for the e-cig, we'll see to what extent that catches on, but government's already starting to get nervous that the e-cig is threatening its precious cigarette tax revenues, so they're imposing steeper and steeper regulations on it....I guess under the guise of protecting innocent bystanders from....secondhand water vapor.

          •  Dihydrogen monoxide kills. (1+ / 0-)
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            Mark27

            Every test is showing minimal to no dangerous chemicals in the exhaled vapor, and only very tiny amounts of propylene glycol even using 100% PG liquids.

            We can only assume that the fact that the body absorbs PG very easily causes this.

            They do find vegetable glycerine in the exhale.  Dreadful stuff, that, y'know.  You eat it by the pound.

            (-6.38, -7.03) Moderate left, moderate libertarian

            by Lonely Liberal in PA on Mon Apr 15, 2013 at 05:16:00 PM PDT

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