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  •  Let's be intelligent here (41+ / 0-)

    It does us no good to speculate on who did this.  

    With bombs being dismantled, we have to believe those how have to investigate this even will have a much better idea in several days.

    Anything we say now will undoubtedly be wrong.  So, don't be wrong.

    We can all agree this is a horrific event.  Whoever did this has lost all sense of what it means to be human.

    And, we can all hope for those best for the injured.

    [Medicare, and Medicaid, and Social Security] do not make us a nation of takers; they free us to take the risks that make this country great.

    by MoDem on Mon Apr 15, 2013 at 01:33:43 PM PDT

    •  inre: speculation (14+ / 0-)

      I almost never do this, but here is a diary I wrote in the aftermath of an attack at a TX State Senator's office about a year ago. The diary was in response to another DK thread on the topic that was full of speculation that, after the fact, turned out to be completely wrong. It includes a couple other examples of "premature explanation."

      Please folks, please please pretty please, let the authorities get the facts on the ground before we start making accusations and assumptions.

    •  Well I feel comfortable in calling whoever (11+ / 0-)

      did this a terrorist (or terrorists if there was more than one person involved).

      You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

      by Throw The Bums Out on Mon Apr 15, 2013 at 01:54:56 PM PDT

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    •  NY Post reporting a suspect is in custody (1+ / 0-)
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      "Senators are a never-ending source of amusement, amazement, and discouragement" ~ Will Rogers

      by Lefty Coaster on Mon Apr 15, 2013 at 02:09:22 PM PDT

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      •  What are the odds ... (6+ / 0-)

        that the NY Post has legitimately scooped everybody else so thoroughly?  It appears they're the only ones reporting this.  Also, their numbers of dead and wounded are a lot higher than everyone else.

        “What’s the use of having developed a science well enough to make predictions if, in the end, all we’re willing to do is stand around and wait for them to come true?” - Sherwood Rowland

        by jrooth on Mon Apr 15, 2013 at 02:14:12 PM PDT

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        •  Agreed (3+ / 0-)
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          I'd be very suspicious of right wing propaganda outlets in the next 24 hours or so trying to scream MUSLIM every chance they get.  It very well could turn out to be Islamic Radical Terrorists, but it could just as easily turn out to be right wing gun nuts.  

          But we all know how right wing propaganda works.  Don't trust anything they say.

          •  Right wing gun nuts? (0+ / 0-)

            Just as easily?

            No.
            Your bias is showing.

            Question:

            How many bombs have been set off by right wing gun nuts in the cause of gun nuttery?

            LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

            by dinotrac on Mon Apr 15, 2013 at 02:26:25 PM PDT

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            •  Oklahoma City (1+ / 0-)
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              comes to mind.

              Republicans...think the American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire the Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it. Harry S. Truman

              by fenway49 on Mon Apr 15, 2013 at 02:54:28 PM PDT

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              •  History. Why does no one pay attention? (0+ / 0-)

                OK -- let's see.

                The Murrah building was an actual federal government target.
                It was targetted by a group in response to killings by the federal government at Waco and Ruby Ridge.

                Nuttery, perhaps, but not gun nuttery.

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                by dinotrac on Mon Apr 15, 2013 at 03:33:59 PM PDT

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                •  And this is (0+ / 0-)

                  Patriot's Day, a state holiday in Massachusetts to commemorate the start of the American Revolution (Revere's ride and Lexington and Concord), the same thing McVeigh used as a symbol. It has symbolic significance. Today also is Tax Day.

                  Federal targets might kinda be on lockdown these past few years, no?

                  Again, not saying we know anything yet about who did this and why. But you asked if "gun nuts" had engaged in terror and McVeigh and Co. fall pretty close to that demographic.

                  Republicans...think the American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire the Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it. Harry S. Truman

                  by fenway49 on Mon Apr 15, 2013 at 04:05:58 PM PDT

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                  •  Lots of ifs and political bias there. (0+ / 1-)
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                    Not to mention a lot more McVeighs in places like Oklahoma than Boston.

                    Look -- it could be anybody.

                    DK just gives me a chuckle at times like this, seeing right wing death squads in the closet, under the bed, and at the bottom of the toy chest.

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                    by dinotrac on Mon Apr 15, 2013 at 04:10:22 PM PDT

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                    •  I said (0+ / 0-)

                      we don't know. Could be anyone. I'm not seeing "right wing death squads" at all. You asked, in essence, if right-wing lovers of "liberty" had engaged in acts of terror. I said, yep, one did. And it happened to coincide with today's date. But that doesn't mean I think this was that. I don't know yet.

                      McVeigh, of course, did not live in Oklahoma. He traveled there.

                      Republicans...think the American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire the Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it. Harry S. Truman

                      by fenway49 on Mon Apr 15, 2013 at 04:27:53 PM PDT

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                      •  "in essence" , ie, whatever I want to think you're (0+ / 0-)

                        saying.

                        I asked nothing of the sort.
                        I'm old enough to reember Oklahoma City.
                        I have family there.
                        Just as I had friends in the World Trade Center.

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                        by dinotrac on Mon Apr 15, 2013 at 05:36:26 PM PDT

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            •  Just the last two years... (1+ / 0-)
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              November 1, 2011
              Four members of an unnamed North Georgia militia are arrested in an alleged plot to bomb federal buildings, attack cities including Atlanta with deadly ricin, and murder law enforcement officials. The men – Frederick Thomas, 73, Samuel J. Crump, 68, Dan Roberts, 67, and Ray H. Adams, 65 – allegedly discussed dispersing ricin powder in a series of cities, "taking out" a list of officials to "make the country right again," and scouting buildings in Atlanta to bomb. Authorities say the plot was inspired by an online novel, Absolved, written by longtime Alabama militiaman Mike Vanderboegh. Thomas, the accused ringleader, and Roberts plead guilty in April 2012 to charges of conspiring to possess explosives and firearms. Thomas and Roberts are each sentenced in August 2012 to five years in federal prison for conspiring to obtain an unregistered explosive device. Crump and Adams are awaiting trial.

              December 10, 2011
              Four soldiers, later identified as members of a militia-type group called Forever Enduring, Always Ready (FEAR), are arrested for murdering 19-year-old former soldier and group member Michael Roark and his 17-year-old girlfriend, Tiffany York, because they feared the pair would talk about the group’s plans. Officials say the group, based at Fort Stewart, Ga., planned to take over the Army base, assassinate President Obama and overthrow the government, and had spent $87,000 on guns and bomb parts. Group leader Pvt. Isaac Aguigui, 22, Sgt. Anthony Peden, 26, Pvt. Christopher Salmon, 25, and Pfc. Michael Burnett, 26, also allegedly discussed blowing up a dam and poisoning fruit crops in Washington state. Officials say Aguigui funded the group with a $500,000 insurance payment for the death of his pregnant wife. In 2012, seven more people are arrested in connection with the group’s activities; several accept plea bargains and agree to testify against their comrades. In April 2013, the Army charges Aguigui with killing his wife.

              April 17, 2012
              Joseph Benjamin Thomas and Samuel James Johnson of Mendota Heights, Minn., are indicted on federal weapons and drug charges following an investigation into their alleged plans to form a white supremacist group called the "Aryan Liberation Movement" and commit violence against minorities, leftists and government officials. Prosecutors allege that Thomas planned to attack the Mexican consulate in St. Paul on May 1 with a truck loaded with barrels of oil and gasoline that he would set on fire, believing that the attack would stir debate on immigration amnesty prior to the 2012 elections. An affidavit unsealed in federal court reveals that Johnson, a former leader of the neo-Nazi National Socialist Movement in Minnesota with past convictions for armed crimes, was trying to recruit others to his cause and scouted for a training compound in Illinois and Minnesota. Johnson pleads guilty in June 2012 and is sentenced in September to 15 years in prison on one count of being a felon in possession of an assault weapon. Thomas pleads guilty in July to possession with intent to distribute 50 grams of methamphetamine in a case related to a federal investigation of white supremacist activity. He faces the possibility of life in prison.

              August 5, 2012
              Neo-Nazi skinhead Wade Michael Page, 40, opens fire with a 9 mm handgun at a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wis., near Milwaukee, killing six and critically wounding three, including a police officer who responded. Page shoots and kills himself at the scene. A U.S. Army veteran who was discharged in 1998 for “patterns of misconduct,” Page was a “patched” member of the Northern Hammerskins, a chapter of the Hammerskin Nation, a violent, racist skinhead group. He was also a fixture on the white power music scene who played in the band End Apathy and others.

              August 16, 2012
              Seven people with ties to the antigovernment “sovereign citizens” movement allegedly ambush and murder Louisiana sheriff’s deputies Brandon Nielsen, 34, and Jeremy Triche, 27. The attack comes in a trailer park near New Orleans, where the deputies pursued suspects following the shooting and wounding of another deputy working as an off-duty security guard at an oil refinery. Those arrested include the group’s leader, Terry Lyn Smith, 44, Smith’s wife, Chanel Skains, and his sons, Derrik Smith and Brian Smith. Others are Brittany Keith, Kyle David Joekel and Teniecha Bright. Brian Smith is charged with first-degree murder and the others with related charges. The group, which traveled the country doing construction work, possess a stockpile of weapons. Its members have outstanding warrants in Nebraska, Tennessee and Louisiana.

              September 4, 2012
              Christopher Lacy, 36, shoots California Highway Patrol officer Kenyon Youngstrom at close range after the officer stops Lacy’s vehicle, which had an obstructed license plate, on I-680 near Alamo, Calif. Lacy is fatally shot by another trooper who responds to the scene. Youngstrom dies September 5. An investigation into Lacy’s background reveals a large amount of antigovernment “sovereign citizens” literature on several computers at his home.

              December 21, 2012
              FBI agents arrest Richard Schmidt, the owner of a sporting goods store in Bowling Green, Ohio, for trafficking in counterfeit goods and discover a cache of 18 weapons in his home and store, including AR-15 assault rifles, 9 mm and Sig Sauer pistols and shotguns, and more than 40,000 rounds of ammunition. Schmidt is unable to own the weapons legally because he is a felon who served 13 years for murdering a Latino man and wounding two others in a 1989 traffic dispute. They also find evidence of Schmidt’s neo-Nazi views, including video and Nazi paraphernalia, and the Anti-Defamation League identifies him as a long-time member of the neo-Nazi National Alliance. And officials discover a notebook they say Schmidt was using to track Detroit area Jewish and African-American leaders, apparently as a prelude to some kind of attack. Schmidt is indicted in Toledo in January 2013 on three federal counts of possessing illegal firearms, body armor and ammunition, and one count of trafficking in counterfeit goods, and pleads not guilty.

      •  This is the NY Post you are talking about (2+ / 0-)
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        Remember that the initial reports after the OKC bombing mentioned Arabs as suspects.

      •  NY Post (0+ / 0-)

        also says 12 dead, and all the reports of a suspect in custody I have seen so far link back to the NY Post including a corroborating article by the NY Post.

        The future will be better tomorrow. -D.Quayle

        by word player on Mon Apr 15, 2013 at 02:22:35 PM PDT

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