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  •  Clinton was worse (16+ / 0-)

    Bush was 100x worse. Reagan was 100000x worse.

    Just to put things in perspective, Clinton passed DOMA, NAFTA, massive bank deregulation.

    Reagan destroyed the middle class with deregulation and anti-union policies and failed supply-side inequality-driving plutocracy policies.

    Bush -- tax cuts, wars, etc.

    So let's not get excessive -- Obama deserves criticism for the many shortfalls he's been demonstrating, but he's a lot better than we've had!

    Deficits don't matter, jobs do.

    by aguadito on Tue Apr 16, 2013 at 05:00:48 AM PDT

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    •  At least Clinton (9+ / 0-)

      included his own electorate in his triangulation to some extent - Obama does not and in my mind that makes him worse than Clinton.

    •  The transfer of wealth from the middle class to... (15+ / 0-)

      ...the rich accelerated under Obama.

      And Obama's economic policies are supply-side nonsense as well.

      Personally, I think that every president in my lifetime has been more corrupt than his predecessor with the sole exceptions of Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter.

      What we need is a Democrat in the White House.

      by expatjourno on Tue Apr 16, 2013 at 06:52:31 AM PDT

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      •  I agree with the first part (2+ / 0-)
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        but have a hard time going to the corrupt charge.

        In my mind Obama has been defined by benign neglect of middle class and his elitist/institutionalist worldview.

        •  It IS hard going to the corrupt charge. (6+ / 0-)

          Very disappointing. But did you watch Elizabeth Warren skewer those OCC guys? Those are OBAMA's OCC guys. Executive branch. Treasury Department. He could have appointed someone as Secretary of the Treasury who would have had a different attitude toward the conflict between banks and homeowners.

          The thing is, the worst elements in society are getting their tentacles ever more firmly embedded in the political process. Romney was worse than Bush, I'm sure, and would have broken all kinds of new ground in the field of corruption.

          Ford and Carter pulled things in the other direction a bit, but it's basically been a downward slide towards more corruption ever since JFK and maybe since Eisenhower. Worse and worse and Obama is no exception.

          Just watch Obama be richly rewarded post-presidency, just like Clinton has been.

          What we need is a Democrat in the White House.

          by expatjourno on Tue Apr 16, 2013 at 07:47:49 AM PDT

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        •  beyond the middle class (6+ / 0-)

          there's major beef from the black community of his outright abuse of those suffering from poverty.

          Cornell West went even further:

          I think that it’s morally obscene and spiritually profane to spend $6 billion on an election, $2 billion on a presidential election, and not have any serious discussion — poverty, trade unions being pushed against the wall dealing with stagnating and declining wages when profits are still up and the 1 percent are doing very well, no talk about drones dropping bombs on innocent people. So we end up with such a narrow, truncated political discourse, as the major problems — ecological catastrophe, climate change, global warming. So it’s very sad. I mean, I’m glad there was not a right-wing takeover, but we end up with a Republican, a Rockefeller Republican in blackface, with Barack Obama, so that our struggle with regard to poverty intensifies.

          Deficits don't matter, jobs do.

          by aguadito on Tue Apr 16, 2013 at 07:50:07 AM PDT

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    •  no. I don't buy that. (4+ / 0-)
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      it is exactly the wrong mind set... he's not a lot better than we've had.

      he is simply an extension of it. As I've said many times, Clinton laid open road for Bush who, in turn, left very bad precedents for Obama to build on.

      this isn't a coincidence... it's like we are being herded by a pod of killer whales.

      •  This thread will soon be herded into the hiddens.. (3+ / 0-)
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        aguadito, pfiore8, Dallasdoc a pod of HR-abusing Obama defenders.

        What we need is a Democrat in the White House.

        by expatjourno on Tue Apr 16, 2013 at 09:17:11 AM PDT

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        •  why are we surprised that our side is stocked with (2+ / 0-)
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          the same whacky ideologues as the other?

          we need to spin out and off from here... at some point, all of this silliness shreds our credibility.

          •  You know, I never understood how people who... (2+ / 0-)
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            ...were outraged at every Bush-Cheney atrocity turned a blind eye to the very same acts (and worse) as soon as Obama became president. Can you image the fury if Bush was assassinating American citizens with drones? Or sadistically refusing to release Gitmo prisoners who have been cleared?

            All the war protests sure stopped as soon as it became Obama's war. Largest NSA eavesdropping facility in the world intercepting every single telecommunication without a warrant? See. No. Evil.

            More recently, I don't understand how people can see Senator Warren grill executive branch personnel and never follow the breadcrumb trail to the Oval Office. The OCC colluded with banks to cover up wrongdoing and shaft homeowners but the buck stops somewhere else.

            There may well have been a president more corrupt than Obama, but I would like to see someone make that case.

            I guess they just HR'd my question because they couldn't make that case.

            What we need is a Democrat in the White House.

            by expatjourno on Tue Apr 16, 2013 at 12:07:44 PM PDT

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