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  •  If it is a socially progressive issue.... (0+ / 0-)

    It doesn't matter what the people want, they aren't going to get it. Pathetic. Harry, NUCLEAR OPTION! SCREW THE RURAL AREAS! I DON'T CARE WHAT FARMER BUBBA WANTS!

    •  Nuclear option, yes. Your "rural areas" attitude (6+ / 0-)

      is one we don't need.

      Life actaully is different in rural areas.

      A good friend of mine grew up in Texas, and came out of the house one day to see her mother being chased around a tree by a skunk.  Sounds kind of funny.  But she recognized the behavior of a rabid animal, grabbed a rifle from inside the house and shot the skunk.  Another person I know who currently works in rural northern Canada had two co-workers bitten by a rabid coyote last month.  My friend who lives on a ranch in the Southwest shoots rattlers near his house.  Not on the rest of the ranch; he figures it's up to him to wear boots and stay alert.  But near the house, yes.  Of course, it doesn't take a gun to kill a poisonous snake.  My dad chopped the head off one with a shovel.  But you don't really want to have to be that close to a poisonous snake, especially one with the striking power of a rattler.

      And hunting really is an important part of many rural people's lives, both for cultural reasons and because it's damned hard to make a living there if you're not a giant agribusiness corporation busily wrecking the land.  Rural people hunt to eat.

      Rural life is different.  The culture is different.  Most urban people don't begin to understand that, which is natural.  But we have enough consciousness about cultural differences on this site that we should automatically avoid the kind of casual disdain that in fact is so common here.

      We need to care what Farmer Bubba wants.  First, because progressives should respect differences and build alliances where possible.  Second, because there are a lot of rural states and they elect a lot of Senators.  The Republican dominance in the Senate has not been only because of the Southern Strategy.  They have also courted (and propagandized) the rural West.  Democrats, for the last 50 years or so, have been disdainful, lazy, and stupid in dealing with rural states.  And that's hurt us.  And so, naturally, we dislike the rural states more, and snigger even more at their clothes and make-up, their music, their way of talking.  Isn't predictability a wonderful thing?

      The Manchin/Toomey suggestion on exempting some rural areas from background checks (because they'd have to travel far to find a dealer to do the check) should be pursued if it might win some more votes for the bill.  Neither gangs nor disturbed people are likely to drive around the back roads of North Dakota asking people to sell them some guns.  THe focus of enforcement should be on gun dealers, gun shows, and areas of high population density.  That's where most of the action is.

      --------------------- “These are troubling times. Corporation are treated like people. People are treated like things. …And if we ever needed to vote, we sure do need to vote now.” -- Rev. Dr. William J. Barber

      by Fiona West on Tue Apr 16, 2013 at 11:18:23 AM PDT

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      •  You've said a lot of accurate (2+ / 0-)
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        noway2, Mokurai

        and very sensible things there.  The comment deserves highlighting and support, however much it doesn't fit with "extremist" label so readily attached to those of us who take issue with some elements of PBO's firearm reform initiatives -- including the M-T Amendment as initially crafted.

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