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  •  Actually it does mean that it can't be (0+ / 0-)

    unless you want to deny both human nature * and * copious historical precedent.  Which is a strange approach to be advocated time and time again at a "reality based" website.

    Which I'm coming to see is obviously a snarkily meant phrase, or at least one that has long since jumped the shark, much in the way that  "jumped the shark" has done.

    •  You solutions or are you saying just (2+ / 0-)
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      aliasalias, elwior

      throw in the towel mankind deserves to go extinct.

      If we really want to straighten out all this crap we really need to think about shit - Holy Shit.

      by John Crapper on Tue Apr 16, 2013 at 10:07:46 AM PDT

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      •  Mankind won't go extinct (1+ / 0-)
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        What I am trying to say is "why not do something meaningful?"

        A start would be a carbon tax with teeth.  Or even a token carbon tax of the kind that (ironically I suppose) Alberta is one of the few places on the planet to have . .. .

      •  Another issue, of course, is that the Bakken (2+ / 0-)
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        proved that rail is a viable alternative to pipelines for moving crude oil.

        And right now enough rail cars are on order to move 1.8 million barrels per day (or about 2 KXL pipelines) - they are being cranked out in a factory in Texas even as we speak (sadly, in a factory that used to make wind turbines . .. . . ).

        So, if KXL is deep sixed - the railroads will just step in.  Which could very well be worse for the environment than pipelines.

        •  We're playing wack-a-ball for sure. (3+ / 0-)
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          My home looks down on the trains and I've been in the fight here to stop deep water shipment facilities.  I was involved with the comment campaign (also time sensitive) to try and stop that foolish project.  The projects to fight are everywhere.  The point is we need to fight.

          If we really want to straighten out all this crap we really need to think about shit - Holy Shit.

          by John Crapper on Tue Apr 16, 2013 at 10:43:32 AM PDT

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          •  exactly, I submitted comments, went to Public (2+ / 0-)
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            John Crapper, Roadbed Guy

            Hearings, (B'ham, Ferndale, Mount Vernon) and local meetings at Re-Sources.
            As a former brakeman that worked out of that coal port at Roberts Bank  most of my comments  (public and on the GPT site) were on the issue of fugitive coal dust, the number trains and the crowded rail lines.

            I mentioned in comments how every train of loads (coal) that I was on got the green light every time and every time I was on regular mixed freight our trains were always put in sidings to make way for the coal trains.

            Hell I left the RR in 1981, so I may have forgotten an instance but running out of Roberts Bank the only time I remember ever being sent into a siding was to get out of the way of a train of loads coming west.
            My point is that with the exception of very few places it is single track in BC and this area has the same situation, so all other businesses that depend upon rail service suffer from all the added traffic, especially when it gets priority, even over Class A passenger trains.

            I also live looking over the tracks (downtown B'ham) and right at the waterfront that will be negatively impacted by the traffic. I can't see people wanting to open businesses like restaurants, hotels or people wanting to go to them if it means hearing the screching coal trains around the clock.
            In the larger scheme of things those issues are next to nothing but it is a way to get more people involved in the fight even if it is for something so small it adds to the fight for a habitable planet.

            I see this as a fight on many fronts and in many locations, so we must do what we can and not be concerned about opinions that sound like surrender. I want my grandsons to know I at least fought the nearest fight and supported all the fronts I could in this struggle for a better place for them and others, now and in their future.

            without the ants the rainforest dies

            by aliasalias on Tue Apr 16, 2013 at 12:35:46 PM PDT

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