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  •  Repealed, oh yeah, like the 80's cuts (5+ / 0-)

    I am fighting now.  I am fighting against these cuts and I will definitely hold any party that passes them accountable.

    If Senator Franken wants my vote in 2014, he'll stop them.  It's his choice.   I mean he's doesn't have to pass anything new.  He doesn't need 60 votes.  All he has to do is defend the status quo and stop this budget proposal from being enacted.  

    •  80's cuts? (0+ / 0-)

      What on earth are you talking about?  I'm talking about lobbying.

      •  You said it could be repealed (3+ / 0-)
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        That's a fantasy.  Let me cut your Social Security benefits now and I'll repeal the cuts later.   Ah, no.  I'm old, I'm not cognitively impaired.

        I mean if the Democrats want to show me they really care, why don't they repeal the 80's deal that raised the retirement age for Boomers?  But I am not asking for that.  I'm just saying you already screwed me in that deal and that is the last time you get away with it.  You can do it.  I will not vote for you if you do.

        •  Wait just a second (0+ / 0-)

          I'm talking about LOBBYING.  You can't repeal lobbying.  Put a moratorium or ban on lobbying.  Repealing means you're repealing previous pieces of legislation.

          I think you're getting way too carried away on cuts for social security and not understanding exactly what I'm talking about here.

          Lobbying is an issue completely separate from social security and such.  However, it does have a strange hold on how Democrats and GOP run things.  Ever note how difficult it is to even get a piece of reasonable gun control laws passed?

          What's the reason?  You guessed it, lobbying groups like the NRA breathing down Congress's neck.

          But what we need to make sure is that lobbying doesn't control Congress.  Congress is above lobbying.  That's what needs to be in the argument and if we can translate it into reality, then maybe we don't need to deal with the DLC or beltway Democrats anymore as much.

          It's like 2009 and 2010 didn't exist and we didn't have the Wall Street Reform, the Affordable Health Care Act, the prevention of an additional Great Depression and the auto industry bailout.

          •  I will vote on the Social Security benefit cuts (6+ / 0-)

            That will impact me every month for the rest of my life.  People vote on different issues.  I don't expect everyone to agree with me, but I do want the Democratic Party to know that this is the 3rd rail for me, and there is NOTHING else that they can or will do that will make up for them deliberately, callously, deceitfully, arrogantly, cutting my Social Security benefits FOREVER.  

            I will remember this at every election for the rest of my life.  I'm not saying what I will do forever, but I am saying that I will vote on this and this alone in 2014 and 2016.  

            I am mad as hell.  I feel totally betrayed.  I don't trust them not to make more cuts if they get away with this.  I have no idea where the party stands anymore.  

            •  I don't feel betrayed (0+ / 0-)

              The lobbying system is what's putting a strange hold on this process.  If it didn't have such a strange hold, guess what?  Democrats would be winning elections a lot easier and we wouldn't even be in this business of having to fight these seemingly endless battles against the GOP.

              I mean, yes, Social Security cuts are terrible and as a progressive Democrat from Berkeley, California, I'm always going to fight against chained CPI and anything else that cuts Social Security.  I may be coming from a different profession or industry than you are but I also recognize that I also have IRAs, 401k accounts, mutual funds, etc.  Those are an opinion but of course, Social Security is the ultimate safety net for all Americans that prevents a lot of poverty.

              And a point to make:  The cuts have not been done yet so there's still fighting power to be done.  President Obama can present his budget but the House and Senate needs to still vote on it.  That's what's known as checks and balances.

              I hope you're not listening to Jill Stein here.  There are lots of Democrats inside Congress and outside of Congress who are going to support you.  The AARP is 100% against chained CPI.  


              In addition, the AFL-CIO is 100% against the Chained CPI so that's a large percentage of union representatives (who the Democrats depend on a lot for votes) that any Democratic Congressman/Congresswoman or Senator will feel the wrath off and get defeated for re-election if say they vote for the budget as it contains chained CPI.  Keep in mind also we're dealing with a divided Congress where the GOP has the control over the House of Representatives

              And you might as well start calling the White House and vent your frustration there so they hear an additional voice, rather than spending time on Daily Kos.  Every additional angry constituent needs to be heard by the White House:

              Comments: 202-456-1111
              Switchboard: 202-456-1414

              You can also contact Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's Office Line:  (202) 224-3542

              Or Dick Durbin's Office Line:  (202) 224-2152

              Or Nancy Pelosi's Office Line:  (202) 225-4965


              •  A Berkeley Progressive is a bit of cliche (1+ / 0-)
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                And one with 401K, IRA's and mutual funds too.  

                You might want to seek out a waitress in Stockton or somewhere and see how losing $650 a year in Social Security benefits is going to work out.

            •  I'm not exactly happy myself (1+ / 0-)
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              Just Bob

              As a federal retiree, I'll get double the cuts. Have been taking cuts for the past three years already. And I didn't go along with the corruption...I fought it. That cost me financially, too. But, vote Republican...not even in my dreams.

          •  You keep mentioning the lobbying (corruption) (1+ / 0-)
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            While at the same time, Obama is signing a bill that destroys the anti-corruption ban on congressional insider trading.

            Democrats are not better on this, and we have already lost it. But at least we still have social security left....for now.

            Anybody who tries to grab the third rail must be burned.

    •  Voting Republican won't make it better (1+ / 0-)
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      Thomas Twinnings

      Both parties are in the clutches of lobbyists on this issue. Would voting Republican be worse? I think so--mainly because lobbyists would take that as a mandate to push more aggressively on these issues; like stepping on the plutocracy gas pedal.

      Yeah, frustrating. But, here's some hope.

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