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  •  This is the first "credible" (4+ / 0-)

    group to actually call it torture, instead of "enhanced interrogation" or some other bit of Doublespeak.

    •  "Credible" is in the eyes of the beholder (6+ / 0-)

      I suppose today in America, any group considered to be "left" in orientation is automatically assumed to be less than credible, certainly not credible enough to be given a table with the serious people on national television and radio.  But The National Lawyers Guild is hardly a fly-by-night operation, nor is the Center for Constitutional Rights.  Then there's the Brennan Center for Justice at NYU School of Law.  Majorie Cohn, Phillipe Sands, and David Luban testified before congress in 2008, spelling out in no uncertain terms the clear violation by the US of it's legal obligations wrt torture.

      From my diary in May 2008:

      ... the National Lawyers Guild has released a White Paper explaining why lawyers currently or formerly at the highest level of our government are now subject to criminal prosecution for legal advice given while in conduct of their official duties as part of the United States government.  In this paper, which is quoted extensively in NLG calls for investigation into Bush Admin. & Torture Memos the NLG calls for the prosecution and firing from their jobs of the lawyers involved.
      In May 2005, the Amnesty International annual report accused the US and Britain of practicing torture, calling Guantanamo "the gulag of our time":
      Irene Khan, Amnesty's general secretary, launching the report, accused the two governments of condoning torture while trying to keep their consciences clear.
      While there may have been some tippy toeing around "torture" as opposed to "inhumane treatment", such distinctions have hardly been significant to the demand for investigation; indeed, they might still be called premature before an official investigation.

      There is the letter to Leon Panetta in spring of 2009, disseminated by the ACLU, advising the CIA of its legal obligation to preserve its evidence of torture such as shackles and other equipment.  This amounts to the ACLU calling it torture.

      I'm sorry, but this is not even close to the first time a credible group has called this torture.

      The Congress exists primarily to ensure the reelection of members of Congress. - Bacevich

      by geomoo on Tue Apr 16, 2013 at 01:12:52 PM PDT

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    •  Sorry if I wasn't clear (5+ / 0-)

      There is no end to my anger and bitterness surrounding this issue.  I do not mean to discount the importance of this diary, which I very much appreciate.  Likewise Jesselyn Radack's diary from earlier today on the same issue.  The bitterness I express springs from the general reaction of the country and of self-professed liberals over the last decade.  Thanks for posting.

      The Congress exists primarily to ensure the reelection of members of Congress. - Bacevich

      by geomoo on Tue Apr 16, 2013 at 01:24:19 PM PDT

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