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  •  it was Cheney model until recently (1+ / 0-)
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    Up until very recently most scientists kept their data, code and even methods to themselves. In highly competitive fields, nobody shared. If challenged, they might be forced to reveal it to a trusted colleague or neutral party. Back then, if you suspected fraud, especially in a respected senior scientist, often the only recourse was to replicate the original research (on your own dime, since replication studies are generally unfundable).

    History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce - Karl Marx

    by quill on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 09:10:42 AM PDT

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    •  Raw data, models and formulae were (0+ / 0-)

      proprietary? Except for corporate-backed intellectual property studies, how could this be allowable? You could just make anything up and get away with it.

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 09:18:56 AM PDT

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      •  because integrity (0+ / 0-)

        There is a long held conceit in academia that researchers are neutral arbiters of truth and a default assumption that nobody is biased or will cheat (I'm overstating this, but that's the basic gist). In theory this should be true, in practice it is not.

        That and the ancient notion that your data is your intellectual property. Making your data public is like giving your stuff to people (most importantly your rivals) for free.

        Btw these attitudes vary quite a bit depending on the field, with some being more open than others.

        History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce - Karl Marx

        by quill on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 09:32:05 AM PDT

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        •  I have a BS in history (1+ / 0-)
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          Which doesn't make me a historian but did teach me that to to be a historian you have to exhaustively cite each and every one of your sources, be they primary, secondary or tertiary, if you intend to use them. Historians and others in the social sciences don't get to hide their data. Mathematicians don't get to hide their equations. I don't see why economists should be able to.

          "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

          by kovie on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 09:41:56 AM PDT

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          •  the dismal science? (2+ / 0-)
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            I don't know anything about how economics is run as a science. I'm talking about biology, physics, psychology, etc. But then I question whether economics should be called a science, given that the theory is so inherently political and ideological in nature. Take Reinhart and Rogoff as prime examples.

            History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce - Karl Marx

            by quill on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 09:57:48 AM PDT

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            •  there's a blog (2+ / 0-)
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              that you might be reallly interested in, check it out

              It goes into a thorough analysis and critique of the state of the field of economics (including comparisons to physics and other harder sciences)

              Deficits don't matter, jobs do.

              by aguadito on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 10:05:41 AM PDT

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              •  Given that economics is such a "soft" science (1+ / 0-)
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                that happens to also be vulnerable to external manipulation, it seems self-evident that academic papers published in it MUST disclose all data and models used to reach conclusions to be taken seriously.

                "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

                by kovie on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 10:13:14 AM PDT

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              •  great blog! (0+ / 0-)

                History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce - Karl Marx

                by quill on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 11:04:35 AM PDT

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