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  •  I disagree w/ you and th bullshit HR (1+ / 0-)
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    divineorder

    Fight them to the end, until the children of the poor eat better than the dogs of the rich.

    by raincrow on Tue Apr 16, 2013 at 03:23:39 PM PDT

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    •  you disagree with which part . . . . (0+ / 0-)

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      that the National Guard is military?  Or that we should not want military in our streets?

      I think both of those statements are trivially true, and if there hadn't been a bombing yesterday that is causing the whole US to lose its goddamn mind all over again, we would not even be debating the issue.

      Right after 9-11, I was telling everyone in sight that treating terrorism as a military matter rather than as a law enforcement matter was a sure path to disaster--and everyone jumped all over me for it. I was right, though. We've now become a militarized national security state, where people can even be executed without trial based solely on military considerations.

      And if we decide to upgrade the domestic police role of the US military as a response to the Boston bombing, that too is a sure path to disaster.

      I remember when progressives used to OPPOSE the militarization of our society, rather than encourage and cheer for it.  What a nation we have become . . . . .   (sigh)

      •  Well, the reply I posted from my phone disappeared (0+ / 0-)

        I guess I'm a "civic nationalist." For the most part I loathe the idea of states' rights. And yet we have a republic that is a hybrid of civic nationalism and confederacy.

        IMO, the NG is an analogous hybrid that fits pretty well in the gap between each state's State Police and the U.S. armed forces. (Its existence is also authorized by the Constitution under Article I, Section 8, Clause 15.) With a few godawful exceptions -- Kent State springs to mind -- the NG has overall performed admirably IMO, in theaters of war (and even as horribly misused as they have been in the last 12 years) but especially at home, working like yeomen on disaster relief, fighting wildfires, escorting black children into white schools, etc., etc., etc., etc. They have an authorized and defined role that gives citizens a handle on their control (if we will collectively grab the handle).

        What bothers me is our freestyle, no-holds-barred surveillance culture, our government's dalliances with mercs and torture, our prison industrial complex, and the interplay between some of these elements -- they are dancing ghosts well outside of authorization and defined roles.

        We demilitarized society after the Civil War and to some extent after WWII, so it can be done. But can we "de-surveil"? It will require the education of a very ignorant populace, demoralized into what I think is listlessness rather than genuine apathy.

        Fight them to the end, until the children of the poor eat better than the dogs of the rich.

        by raincrow on Tue Apr 16, 2013 at 11:11:16 PM PDT

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