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  •  Point of interest (0+ / 0-)

    Are you required to swear on the bible in court? I had to take an oath as executor of my brother-in-law's estate (here in the UK) and I was given the option of 'affirming' w/out any religious connotation.

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      It is offered as a default (at least in NYC). You CAN object but it takes some courage to do so under intimidating situations.

      Honestly, when I was on Grand Jury duty and appointed foreman. Because I didn't want to start off on the wrong foot as leader of the group, I just went ahead and swore on the bible though it felt wrong to me. I didn't really have time to think about how to best handle it so I just went for the default.

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      by mole333 on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 05:00:04 AM PDT

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    •  You can affirm (1+ / 0-)
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      In part because of one of the religions that founded this country.

      To quote the George Fox (quaker) Song:

      will you swear on the bible? I will not, said he/ for truth is more holy than a book to me.

      But it can be intimidating to do so.

      It is better to be making the news than taking it; to be an actor rather than a critic. - WSC

      by Solarian on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 09:13:28 AM PDT

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    •  I tried this once (2+ / 0-)
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      The Judge did not have a sense of humor about it. Ended up "swearing" on it just to move things along.

      "I chose to change facts, reality, and the meaning of words, in order to make a much larger point." - Paul Ryan John Oliver

      by SC Lib on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 09:46:44 AM PDT

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    •  I was a court clerk in Connecticut (3+ / 0-)
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      Here there's no Bible to swear on, although the oath includes "so help me G-d."  You can also "affirm and declare" instead, which I did when I had to testify twice in court about a case in which I was the clerk.

      If I am not for myself, then who will be for me? When I am only for myself, then what am "I"? And if not now, when?

      by betorah on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 12:52:44 PM PDT

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      •  The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but .... (0+ / 0-)

        I encountered the same problem as a potential juror when they swore us in en mass. I refused to say the so help me G-d part.

        It makes me seriously question the intelligence of those who think it is a good idea to ask people to lie or make pretense about their religious beliefs in order to ensure that they will tell the truth.

        •  I'd trust someone's word more based on (0+ / 0-)

          their fear of the "pains and penalities of perjury," rather than their belief in G-d.  People can believe in G-d and still do lots and lots of reprehensible things.

          If I am not for myself, then who will be for me? When I am only for myself, then what am "I"? And if not now, when?

          by betorah on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 02:29:32 PM PDT

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