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  •  That's a bit simplistic (8+ / 0-)

    I agree about some TSA regulations being silly, and some aspects of security to be invasive, but to suggest it's just theater isn't realistic either.

    It has a place and is effective. No one expects it to be perfect, and it will never be.  

    Is anyone suggesting a "further erosion of liberties"?

    •  "Is anyone suggesting a further erosion of (7+ / 0-)

      liberties?" Not yet, but they will. Frankly, I don't think what the TSA does to individual passengers in airports is as effective as it would be if they used a profiling (not racial profiling, mind you) approach to potential terrorists. The Israelis have been doing this for years.

      If you don't think someone will not suggest a further erosion of liberties, you haven't learned much from 9/11, IMO.

      What is truth? -- Pontius Pilate

      by commonmass on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 05:28:46 AM PDT

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    •  "further erosion of liberties" (5+ / 0-)

      The problem is that so many liberties have been eroded and nothing suggests any movement to restore them.  Not only have rights that are fully enumerated within the Constitution been savaged (due process, search and seizure etc.) in the name of fighting the "War on Terror/Fear" but the police state has also trampled our inherent rights and liberties (privacy, rule of law) where there is no Constitutional authority to do so.

      The TSA is, indeed, not "perfect."  

      The problem is that it is mostly unnecessary.  Rather than making us safer -- and after 9/11 there was very little room for making us safer on the passenger side of the equation -- the TSA is an overbearing and unnecessary government bureaucracy that creates fear and disregards our rights while not adding any significant level of "safety value" to the equation.

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      -- Religion is like sodomy: both can be harmless when practiced between consenting adults but neither should be imposed upon children.

      by Caoimhin Laochdha on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 07:01:46 AM PDT

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      •  To me they seem fear-based, (0+ / 0-)

        rather than security-based. The intentions behind enacting these policies (Patriot Act, DHS, TSA) seem malevolent to me, rather than protective.

        There is a latent hostility embedded in them -- a hostility toward, and a suspicion of the American public as a whole. Such that literally everyone should be subject to some overriding Authority (itself opaque and secretive) over and above our normal, legitimate authorities.

        They are generally repressive policies, and their aim is so widespread and scattershot as to render them far less effective than they might be, were they more specifically targeted. But as it is, we all must feel the weight of them, and the threat to us individually that they imply.

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