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  •  There's no 'background check" (3+ / 0-)
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    when you register to vote. Just be a citizen and depending on the state, not a convicted felon.

    •  You'll still show a lot more ID voting than (7+ / 0-)


      Economics is a social *science*. Can we base future economic decisions on math?

      by blue aardvark on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 11:59:15 AM PDT

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      •  Nope (1+ / 0-)
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        Seriously, have you ever bought a gun?

        (This is from my state but it is typical) to buy a gun you must:

        If you want to purchase more than one firearm in one month, you must apply for a Multiple Handgun Purchase Certificate with the State Police.

        Provide 2 proofs of identity. The main proof of identity must be a unexpired vehicle operator's license with photo or any other identification that has been provided by the government.

        The ancillary means of identification must match the identity of the person that appears on the photo ID. (An example of an acceptable ancillary form of ID is a current passport, a utility bill, or a current voter registration card).

        Agree to a background check by signing the necessary consent form.

        Pay a processing fee if you are a state resident. The fee is slightly higher for out-of-state residents.

        Wait for the dealer to enter your information in the computerized National Instant Background Check System (NICS). If the dealer does not have access to the Internet, the dealer will call NICS directly. NICS will investigate your criminal history (if any) in as little as 2 minutes by accessing state and national criminal databases. If approved, the purchase of the firearm will be completed. If you do not receive approval, the purchase will be delayed until further review of your profile.

      •  I might also add that (1+ / 0-)
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        But before you get this far, there are some rules that are uniform over the country. If you are looking to buy a handgun, or a regulated rifle/shotgun you must be 21 years of age. For a standard rifle or shotgun, you must be 18 years of age.

        If you have been convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence- you can stop right there.

        If you have been convicted of a felony, you are also disqualified from owning a firearm. It does not matter what felony- assault, man slaughter, murder, sex crimes, whatever. No firearm for you.

        Now, also covered is your mental health. If you have been declared mentally incompetent in any fashion, you are disqualified from owning a firearm.

        •  And that's true at a gun show? (2+ / 0-)
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          Or a general flea market?

          •  Mostly (0+ / 0-)

            Yes. If the seller is liscened. Which how most sales are handled. Granted there are some private sales and un liscened transactions. But that's a minority of the sales.

            •  Uh, "minority". Got any numbers, not percentages? (0+ / 0-)

              Thought not. Thanks!

              There can be no protection locally if we're content to ignore the fact that there are no controls globally.

              by oldpotsmuggler on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 07:21:14 PM PDT

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            •  It's not that small a minority. (0+ / 0-)

              I know this is a wiki link - but footnote #18 at the bottom of the page takes you to a pdf of a BATF report that contradicts your assertions on various fronts.


              The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy... the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

              by lcbo on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 06:22:58 AM PDT

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              •  As I read the report (0+ / 0-)

                their figures are from their own investigation- that is the targeted investigations of certain gun shows. (Maybe I'm wrong?). "In their 212 investigations' (which I take to mean there is reasonable suspicion of crimes to begin with) is different than X% of gun show sales did not undergo background checks.

                As a matter of fact I haven't much of anything related to what % or number of guns sold at gun shows do not get a background check. Obviously it happens, and happens more that anyone would like but this stat:

                "... In contrast, a Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) report on “Firearms Use by Offenders” found that only 0.8% of prison inmates reported acquiring firearms used in their crimes "At a gun show,""

                Is pertinent. And certainly more relevant to the issue of gun shows and criminal uses.

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